Discussion in 'Science Fiction & Fantasy' started by kirk55555, Dec 29, 2017.
Just the time traveling ending is enough to ruin all Superman movies going forward...
Went for Guardians 2 for pure "enjoyment sat there in the cinema" level.
I like Wonder Woman, I don't dislike it.. but I'll never get the huge love it gets. Watching it again on blu ray a few weeks I still don't see what's so beyond amazing about it. Yeah it's a female superhero movie that's not awful (Catwoman, Elektra etc) but just as a movie on it's own... it's good fun and I like it a lot, but I'll just never get how it's that good.
Thor - for making me smile for 2 hours straight
Logan - for a fitting finale to a modern classic franchise character
Wonder Woman - for its heart and Gadot
GOTG 2 - for a complete fun package
Spiderman: Homecoming - for having a half decent marvel villain.
Lego Batman - for being the best Batman film in a while
Justice League - for being mostly dull
Hugo - those top 4 are pretty interchangeable depending on his mood
I thought that ending was fine. Yeah its stupid, but its the kind of stupid that works with that particular movie. Well, both movies if you include the Donner Cut of Superman II, which I do because its the better version of Superman II.
So what you're saying is, all those scenes in BvS of Lex being weird, stammering during his speech, feeding that government guy a Jolly Rancher and creeping on a Senator before giving her a jar of piss... perhaps all that stood between those scenes and greatness... was tuba.
Okay, that made me literally LOL after a fairly crappy day -- more so when I thought of Eisenberg's Lex actually being scored that way. (Seriously, is there any possible way to argue it wouldn't be an improvement?) So thanks for that, sir.
I saw none of these films.
Probably won't ever.
Not a fan of superheros?
I voted for "Wonder Woman", although it's not my favorite DCEU film.
I also enjoyed "Logan", "Valerian and the City of a Thousand Planet" and to a certain extent, most of "Justice League".
Wonder Woman - Didn't really bring anything new to the table, storytelling-wise, but Gadot and Pine had excellent chemistry. Abysmal third act, though.
Justice League - Would have loved to have seen what Snyder would have produced if his family tragedy hadn't happened. As it is, the re-shoots stick out like a sore thumb and Whedon is a shitbird director.
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol.2 - Terrible tone issues (a friend of mine sums it up pretty well) and the movie's pacing comes to a grinding halt when they get to Planet Kurt Russell.
Spider-Man: Homecoming - A great Michael Keaton performance surrounded by blandness and white noise.
Thor Ragnarok - Never got around to it (I'm at the point with Marvel Studios movies where I wait for them to hit Redbox; last one I saw in a theater was ... Civil War?), but I love Waititi.
Logan - Easily one of the best movies I saw in all of 2017, up there with Blade Runner 2049, The Last Jedi, The Big Sick and Get Out ... just an absolute masterpiece by Mangold.
Power Rangers - Saw this in the hospital while doped to the gills on dilaudid and oxycodone and it was a nightmarish piece of cinema.
LEGO Batman - Cute intro / first fifteen minutes but then fell off a cliff; the LEGO Batman character isn't engaging enough to carry his own movie.
"I don't like superhero movies"
More like " I don't like BAD Superhero movies."
Pfft, I like plenty. Off the top of my head: Logan, X-Men / 2 / First Class / Days of Future Past, about 75 percent of The Wolverine (although holy shit does it go off the rails when Silver Samurai shows up), Iron Man / 3, Batman '89 / Returns / & Robin, the Batman Nolan trilogy, The First Avenger, The Incredible Hulk, GotG 1, Superman / Returns, Man of Steel, Beavis Ultimate Cut, Watchmen / Director's Cut (the "Ultimate Edition" is balls, though), Spider-Man / 2, Mask of the Phantasm, Blade / II, Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, Punisher War Zone, Daredevil Director's Cut, Hellboy ... and, again, that's just off the top of my head; if I pulled up a list on Wikipedia or some shit I'm sure I'd find plenty of others.
Was tempted to say "ok so you like superhero movies that aren't like the comics" but... there are some good ones you listed so I'll stay quiet.
As I said in the general WB / DC thread, I can literally count the number of comic books I've read in my life on my fingers and toes. I have absolutely no attachment to source material whatsoever; I don't care if a shot mimics a comic panel or if there's dialogue directly lifted or whatever. Tell me a good story in a visually engaging fashion: That's what I ask for from any movie. To me, when making a movie, being concerned with adherence to the source material is almost as much of an albatross as being concerned with "canon" -- just make a good movie because the hooks to other works mean literally nothing to how the movie stands on its own; the rest will come out in the wash.
I'm a bit surprised someone who has liked that many comic book movies would not be more interested in the comics. When I like an adaptation, my first thought is that I have to check out the source material now.
Source material should inspire, not constrain, adaptations.
I don't necessarily need an adaptation to be an exact, word for word recreation of the source material, but it should at least be recognizable as that thing.
Why? Who gives a shit?
Edit: I'm reminded of Starship Troopers. The book is explicit pro-military, pro-fascism bullshit, and Ed Neumeier and Paul Verhoeven pissed on it. The result was an amazing movie.
Works should, and need to, exist independent of one another. Adaptations are just that: Adapting.
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