News The Summer of Mark Hamill's Discontent

Discussion in 'Star Wars' started by Doc Mugatu, Mar 5, 2019.

  1. Armus

    Armus Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I agree that it would have been great to have seen Luke, Han, Leia together in the same scene. A missed opportunity for sure....

    The reunion of Luke, Han, and Leia at Jabba's palace was my favorite moment of ROTJ.
     
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  2. Cutie McWhiskers

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    I'm not female and I think that, Rey is cool and has rather a lot of potential. The backstory and possible trickery by Ren was also cool. Is it a fake-out that her parents are alcoholics? Or was he sincere? (and had the trilogy's scripts been given another once-over, a fake-out spanning multiple movies in trying to get Rey and Ren together might have been a compelling twist, but anyway.) TLJ points out that genetic lineage doesn't make a Force-aware user since that little orphan boy who nicked Harry Potter's broom has the power too. Meaning, does the franchise really need Rey to be Obi Wan's daughter or whatever in order to get some sort of bogus fake connection/canonical points when the franchise can and should be able to make its own while standing on its own feet? Nope, she doesn't need to be Obi's or Boba's or Leia's cousin to be her own self, noting that the 1977-83 trilogy showed kissing cousins let's be grateful they don't go small universe and reveal Rey is their love child. (Now, the fan theory that Rey might be related to Darth Maul and Qira was intriguing - and as much as anyone can have Force aptitude, pairings from Force-sensitive users could be formidable. And Lucasfilm does need to expand on the lore, without making it too small-universe, especially as the novels are no longer canon (but bits can still be adapted and made canon, no big deal). Such a fan theory isn't over the top... (but if people are angry that Luke "uncharacteristically" failed and created Ren the way Obi-Wan failed and Anakin was created as a result, they won't be happy with anything. Which isn't to say the storylines have been perfect, but that's not the reason why.)

    I don't see the sexism either. Look at Holdo. The chain of command trope was reasonably well done from what I remember. Swap genders for either Holdo and Poe and the key scenes make no difference, especially why commanding officers don't gossip to any oi' crewmember about their plans. In the military, there is a chain of command and one obeys. Mutiny is a serious issue.

    But of nothing else, at least Han named his kid after Ben - just don't tell the gripers that Han named him Ben after believing all that Forcey-Worcey-Horsey-Dorsey* stuff being all true and out of reverence. I'm not the biggest SW fan but if I could see the obvious, how come hardcore SW fans couldn't??

    * now the SW fans know how the hapless Doctor Who fans feel when listening to dialogue like "wibbly wobbley timey wimey humany wumany" that must surely have been removed from Teletubbies scripts ... but that's a mildly different argument, SW - even over the last few years - has treated its audience far better than DW had. Even with its gaffes, nothing is 100% perfect to begin with.
     
  3. Cutie McWhiskers

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    I'm ambivalent - on one hand, everyone expected it to happen in the new trilogy, in a way that would make Pavlov himself salivate, so it then would have been panned off as cliche. So there is some originality afoot.

    Ditto for giving the characters tragic endings. (Ironically to the point of cliche, but - no - Disney was not pulling an affront on fans, as TOS fans in the 1990s saw the same thing with hero Kirk getting a tragic ending, among others.) But I digress.

    On the other hand, it's the big three. They had to be seen. Living legends to assist the new kids on the block and all that. Being a cliche doesn't mean it's bad unless it's handled so badly or superficially so... trite and cliche things mean that on some level everyone likes it being done but the handling faltered.
     
  4. Tuskin38

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    And that is where I stop reading.
    He's one of the most unreliable people you could listen to regarding Star Wars.

    There is a reason his 'leaks' are not allowed in the Reddit Subreddit dedicated to Star Wars leaks. Most of the stuff he has 'leaked' over the years has not been true.
     
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  5. Tuskin38

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    What they're saying is that the idea of Luke abandoning the galaxy and living as a hermit on an island all came from Lucas during the Episode 7 planning stage. Him reluctantly training a new jedi was also Lucas's idea.

    Now obviously how the ideas were executed probably didn't match his vision.
     
  6. Tosk

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    Forgive me if I'm missing something obvious, but it sounds like we are both saying the same thing.
     
  7. Tuskin38

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    I guess I misunderstood.
     
  8. fireproof78

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    I agree it would be great, but at the same time I feel like we had that at ROTJ at the end. I love the OT cast but I don't feel like I always need them together either.
     
  9. DigificWriter

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    As per the concept artist who first drew TFA artwork of Luke, the character was described as being " a Col. Kurtz type hiding from the world in a cave", and the art in question received personal approval from George; this was in 2013, at a point when Michael Arndt was still working on the film's script and basing his narrative decisions directly on the notes and input that George had given Kathleen Kennedy (something that has been corroborated by Doug Chiang), so it's disingenuous and factually inaccurate to insinuate or claim that Lucasfilm discarded Lucas' ideas or executed them in a manner that was inconsistent with what he had thought they were going to do.
     
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  10. Armus

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    I honestly would have been fine if the OT cast were not included at all in the new films. I think Mark Hamill realizes the wasted potential with the way they were featured. It could have better.
     
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  11. DarthPipes

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    I'm a guy and I like Rey a lot myself. To me, the worst thing that Rian Johnson did with the The Last Jedi is that he made Rey, Finn and Poe all a lot less interesting. To me, he decreased the interest in seeing these characters again with the ill-advised storylines he plugged them into.
     
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    And you know precisely nothing about broom boy's genetic lineage, so you're not in a position to use him to promote a stance on the relevance of genetic lineage to Force sensitivity. All we know is that he's not a Skywalker -- but the idea that non-Skywalkers can be Force users is not exactly a new revelation. ( The prequel trilogy says hello. )
     
  13. Awesome Possum

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    So much has been made about how strong the Skywalker bloodline is that Rey and the kid with the broom show that the Force is more than that and that after decades of Force users being a rarity that the galaxy is about to be blooming with them. Rey was just the first of many.
     
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  14. DigificWriter

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    Yep.

    When you put aside all the wishful speculation and look at both The Force Awakens and The Last Jedi with objectivity, it becomes clear that Rey's "awakening" was meant to be the beginning of something and not an isolated incident significant only unto itself.
     
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  15. crookeddy

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    My "issue" is that my hype level was through the roof for TFA strictly because the original actors and characters would be in it. Now, it turns out that they were all glorified cameos and the movies are actually about whole new characters. I was greatly disappointed by that, but have since gotten over it.

    Still, I will never be as excited for a Star Wars movie again, as I was for Ep 7.
     
  16. fireproof78

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    I can't wait for Episode 9.
    What a great point. I think this is lost part of the PT is the fact that the Jedi were cloistered, cut off from life of average individuals. Isn't the point of the OT and now the ST to show the Force as bigger than the rules of the Jedi?
     
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    He was hornswaggled... so was his character :sigh:
     
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    I agree with you Doc. Possum forgets that Mark walked back comments because Disney told him to stop. He's started criticizing the creative decisions again and I think it's great. Johnson wrecked his character and Hamill hated that.
     
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  19. mos6507

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    I wouldn't go that far. Harrison Ford pretty much carried The Force Awakens single-handedly up until his anti-climactic demise. And the best part of Last Jedi was Luke's force-projection. The lack of interaction between them is what Mark is complaining about, which is perfectly valid. We got one moment between Han and Leia and a couple grace notes between Luke and the droids (the 3PO one being something Mark insisted upon). Luke doesn't even make the most of Chewie being there in Last Jedi.
     
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  20. flavaflav

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    Link of anyone at Disney saying this?