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The Success of "STAR TREK DISCOVERY"?

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How many of you really want "STAR TREK DISCOVERY" to fail? How many of you? Are any of you upset that the series' lead is portrayed by another woman? Are any of you especially upset that this series is led by an African-American woman? I have never come across so many negative comments or threads about this show . . . with the exception of "STAR TREK VOYAGER". I feel as if once again, I have drifted into the middle of a negative propaganda campaign against another Trek series led by a woman. I had ignored "VOYAGER" for four seasons because of the negative word-of-mouth, until my sister convinced me to watch not only Season 5, but also the previous four seasons on syndication. Then history almost repeated itself, when I was almost willing not to watch this "DISCOVERY", until I changed my mind at the last moment and watched it. I'm not saying that I found both "VOYAGER" and "DISCOVERY" to be perfect. Neither are the other shows, for that matter. But after watching them, I find that I cannot swallow the negative regard that most of Trek fandom have for them. But this has also led me to wonder if many Trek fans want "DISCOVERY" to fail.
 
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It wouldn't bother me a bit if it disappeared altogether. It's less true that I would want it to fail than it is that I have no interest in seeing it continue, nor any concern at all about the "consequences" of its failure.*


*As for the "you hates The WOMAN!" thing, the defenders of this mess will eventually have to find a new go-to line.
 
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I didn’t much like but not because it was lead by a woman. I couldn’t care less about that. I just thought it had poor story telling and it didn’t much feel like a Trek show.

That and those god awful Klingons. :)
 
I didn’t much like but not because it was lead by a woman. I couldn’t care less about that.

Yep. I found the show bland and uninspired. Most interested in milking the Trek backstory than doing anything that competes on the level modern TV plays on.
 
I don't care who the lead is. And i like the show but don't love it. I don't want it to do badly because it could lead to more better things. But if i read tomorrow that it was cancelled i would not be upset
 
I must admit I haven't embraced Michael as the lead. She doesn't convince or is particularly likeable or inspiring. Janeway is ten times the woman and lead. Tilly is like Neelix but again not as good. Lorca had some potential until he became a cartoon character. Stamets and Culber were okay as a couple until one got killed. Saru is about the only character I didn't care for at the start but who I now kind of like.

I don't want it to fail though, I want it to get better!
 
I don't. I want it to succeed and improve and find its place among the Star Trek shows.

As for VOY, I never didn't like VOY because of Captain Janeway, though I've heard that. I find it rather odd, stupid, insipid and petty to hate a show because of such a factor, but that's life. I really like Michael and find her engaging. I can't wait for more.
 
How many of you really want "STAR TREK DISCOV ERY" to fail? How many of you?
There's really not nearly as many as you might think. It's just that the haters are VERY prolific in this forum, meaning, they post a lot. Way more than they do in threads involving another sci-fi show many of them claim to love. Now, what's up with that? ;)

The Ent forum seemed to have just as many haters back in the day.

BTW, you seem to have caught a bunch right off the top in this thread. :D
 
The sooner it admits it sucks and was a mistake and goes away the better. Room must be made for something better to overwrite it if necessary ASAP. It's like a fifty minute wrong note grinding metal all the way down. Without ideas you don't have a show simply because it's called Star Trek and is aboard a space ship. I thought Voyager was a mistake too but the sparks proved to be entertaining. The proof is ultimately in the pudding. I'm not interested in spectacular catastrophies anymore.
 
The sooner it admits it sucks and was a mistake and goes away the better. Room must be made for something better to overwrite it if necessary ASAP. It's like a fifty minute wrong note grinding metal all the way down. Without ideas you don't have a show simply because it's called Star Trek and is aboard a space ship. I thought Voyager was a mistake too but the sparks proved to be entertaining. The proof is ultimately in the pudding. I'm not interested in spectacular catastrophies anymore.
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I can understand people not liking the show, but the immaturity that goes into wanting a show to fail is something i cannot relate to.
 
I would like Star Trek Discovery to fail and the for the jjverse to end because both franchises are style over substance rubbish that are detrimental to the good name of Star Trek. Neither take place in the original timeline so add nothing to established series of Trek, they are just badly written dross for gen z/millennial Star Wars fans. Creating shows/movies for younger generations who couldn’t care less about Star Trek and who wouldn’t spend their money on it is stupidity.
 
How many of you really want "STAR TREK DISCOVERY" to fail? How many of you?
I can’t speak for anyone else but personally I don’t want it to fail. I hope DSC is very successful and spawns many other Star Trek spinoffs.

I *would* like DSC to improve in the storytelling department, and I’d have preferred it to be more suggestive of the overall aesthetic of TOS, but wanting it to fail would go against wanting more Star Trek on tv for me.

Are any of you upset that the series' lead is portrayed by another woman? Are any of you especially upset that this series is led by an African-American woman?
I can’t wrap my head around asking this question let alone anyone for whom the answer might be “yes”. But since you ask (and having seen some comments on other websites I understand why you do ask) no and no.

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t like the character of Michael Burnham. But that’s because I find her self righteous, arrogant, uninteresting, and uninspiring. None of that has anything to do with the fact that the actress portraying Michael happens to be a female poc.

Overall? DSC needs to worry less about how it’s coming across (‘woke’, ‘progressive’, etc. - those qualities are a given since it’s a Star Trek show which, by definition, should strive to be woke and progressive because that’s the future that we want to aim for) and focus more on telling engaging, compelling stories. Obviously mileage will vary on how engaging and compelling s1 was. For me, it wasn’t particularly. But (as I’ve said before in other threads) I remain hopeful that it will improve in s2.

Personally I wouldn’t worry too much about whether or not there are people out there who may want DSC to fail. I’m sure there were folks who wanted TNG to fail. Looking at some of TNG s1 it’s not hard to see why :lol:

One of my worries about discussing DSC in such a manner is that it’s potentially easy to lump in anyone who questions elements of DSC or criticises the show in any way as a “hater” or “TOS fanboy” or whatever. There seems to be an underlying assumption from time to time that things like criticising DSC’s aesthetic means that “you want it to look like the 60s and you’re an idiot - it’s not going to look like 50 years ago stupid”, or that thinking Michael is not a particularly likeable character must mean that you’re intolerant and only dislike her *because* she’s a female poc.

If we could try and take each argument at face value and on its own merits a little more rather than assume people want DSC to fail or that people want a ST Continues-style aesthetic or that people “hate” Michael or the show or whatever for the most simple and obvious reasons, we might avoid some of the negativity that tends to crop up.

Yes, that is starfleet.

(I already hate myself for ending this post like that)
 
Ill probably like Michael when she starts acting human. Not a fan of her Vulcan “robotic” style.
I truly think her being raised Vulcan style is a form of abuse.
 
I would like Star Trek Discovery to fail and the for the jjverse to end because both franchises are style over substance rubbish that are detrimental to the good name of Star Trek. Neither take place in the original timeline so add nothing to established series of Trek, they are just badly written dross for gen z/millennial Star Wars fans. Creating shows/movies for younger generations who couldn’t care less about Star Trek and who wouldn’t spend their money on it is stupidity.

:guffaw:
 
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