The Star Wars problem

[Shinzon4u]

When and how exactly was consensus reached that the PT is more flawed than the OT?

Of the four Star Wars films George directed (the PT and ANH), I see no difference in quality or competence in any area.

P.S.
Plinkett is a moron and I can easily tell you who Qui-Gon is under his criteria (A maverick who is also wise and measured) so let's leave his brilliant insights at the door.

P.S.S
The Force Awakens is plainly the worst of the seven films and yet it is more acclaimed than at least 4 of the films (the PT and RotJ), so I am forced to think that there is something broken in the collective consciousness of society.

 

[fireproof78]

Characters.

As for the rest-something is wrong with society because they don't share the opinion about films as you do?

 

[Tuskin38]

there is something broken in the collective consciousness of society.

We're not the Borg.

 

[Shinzon4u]

Characters.

As for the rest-something is wrong with society because they don't share the opinion about films as you do?

Okay, what about the characters is worse than the OT? The OT characters are very "stock". (youthful adventurer who's eyes we see through, rogue with a heart of gold, strong woman, etc...)

 

[Shinzon4u]

Also, is it possible to edit posts here?
My last post has a few errors but I don't see an edit button.

 

[fireproof78]

You unfortunately cannot edit until after a certain number of posts. So, um, spell check?

 

[Shinzon4u]

You unfortunately cannot edit until after a certain number of posts. So, um, spell check?

Hmmm.

 

[JD]

When and how exactly was consensus reached that the PT is more flawed than the OT?

Of the four Star Wars films George directed (the PT and ANH), I see no difference in quality or competence in any area.

I've got to disagree, I think the writing and acting were better in ANH than the PT.

P.S.S
The Force Awakens is plainly the worst of the seven films and yet it is more acclaimed than at least 4 of the films (the PT and RotJ), so I am forced to think that there is something broken in the collective consciousness of society

Could not possibly disagree more, TFA was one of my favorite movies in the entire series.

 

[The Wormhole]

P.S.S

I think you meant PPS.

 

[Shinzon4u]

Aye. I am used to posting in forums where my post is a draft and my edit of that post is my final copy.

 

[LJones41]

I've got to disagree, I think the writing and acting were better in ANH than the PT.

Hmmm . . . I don't know. I don't think so.

 

[MacLeod]

What might have helped the prequel trilogy, is a co-writer of the script.

 

[Jedi Marso]

When and how exactly was consensus reached that the PT is more flawed than the OT?

Not so much ' a consensus about flaws' as a collective realization that the PT did not 'match up' with the canon established in the OT in a meaningful enough way based on decades of fan speculation and anticipation vis a vis what was hinted at in the original set of movies.

P.S.S
The Force Awakens is plainly the worst of the seven films and yet it is more acclaimed than at least 4 of the films (the PT and RotJ), so I am forced to think that there is something broken in the collective consciousness of society.

While it has some serious flaws, the characters in TFA have more heart and soul than anything we saw in the PT. It also helps when the actors have more to 'use' in terms of sets and props than green gym mats under their feet and a big green screen behind them. Not only that, most of us could watch BB-8 all day, while Jar Jar just makes us want to kick holes in the screen.

 

[Shinzon4u]

While it has some serious flaws, the characters in TFA have more heart and soul than anything we saw in the PT.

I disagree.
-Rey didn't have a character to speak of and Daisy Ridley has about two expressions
-Finn was wasted potential (he was a brainwashed slave from birth and he gets over that and is acting like a normal 20-something way too quickly),
-Hux's actor who is usually good was embarrassingly bad (especially the speech scene),
-Kylo Ren gives us no reason to be sympathetic to him, unlike Anakin. Kylo had everything, he was the son of the saviors of the galaxy, while Anakin was born a slave and was separated from his mother at 9 years old. Also he Columbine'd Luke's school sometime before the events of the film, in addition to then killing Han.
There is no reason at all to be sympathetic to these murders, unlike Anakin. Anakin was manipulated into the things he did, Kylo is just a whiny brat.

 

[fireproof78]

We don't have enough information about Kylo's fall to know what happened.

Rey was a survivor, trying to find a place where she fits in. She clearly doesn't fit in to Jakku, and thinks she might find it with Han Solo, only to have that taken away. She is idealistic and dynamic in terms of her awareness of the larger world.

Finn is still learning. I think the best description I heard is that Finn's reactions are a bit child-like in that many of his sensations are ones that he hasn't felt before, making them more intense, such as screaming for Rey when she is taken.

Finally, it's all subjective as far as response to characters. I did not sympathize with Anakin or felt any connection to the characters in the PT, whereas, I strongly connected with the characters from TFA and wanted to see them succeed.

 

[Jayson1]

I think the prequels were disliked almost instantly by most fans, or at least older fans. New fans I suspect were to young to really have their voice heard at the time. Plus their was still a lot of backlash going on with George Lucas over the special editions with the Classic movies.

The new movies I think people mostly enjoy because people see them as improvements over the prequels but they do have a advantage over the prequels since they feature actors who played a big role in the Classic film.
I actually think "Star Wars" might actually start becoming less popular once they move beyond Harrison Ford,Mark Hamil and Carrie Fisher. I think people underestimate just how important those actors have been.

Jason

 

[Ithekro]

The PT were not instantly disliked. They were watched over and over again in the theaters. What I do recall is that some people did not feel the films lived up to their high standards or expectations. And a lot of that was from 15 to 20 year of speculation about just what the Clone Wars was and who Anakin Skywalker was as a young man. Obi-wan was more or less as expected, which is why Ewan McGregor almost always gets a passing grade from the fanbase regardless of how they liked or disliked the films.

My main disappointment at the start was the ending theme music didn't seem as rousing as the OT themes had been. It felt like something was missing....until the very end...when Vader's theme creeped out of Anakin's theme, and the breathing. Then I knew what was going to be played. The first two films were a setup for the third, and I figured that out at the end of TPM. All was going to be for Vader by the end. The love theme from AOTC didn't do it for me either really, but again, Vader's theme creeped out the end. ROTS has the old traditional theme ending.

 

[Jayson1]

The PT were not instantly disliked. They were watched over and over again in the theaters. What I do recall is that some people did not feel the films lived up to their high standards or expectations. And a lot of that was from 15 to 20 year of speculation about just what the Clone Wars was and who Anakin Skywalker was as a young man. Obi-wan was more or less as expected, which is why Ewan McGregor almost always gets a passing grade from the fanbase regardless of how they liked or disliked the films.

My main disappointment at the start was the ending theme music didn't seem as rousing as the OT themes had been. It felt like something was missing....until the very end...when Vader's theme creeped out of Anakin's theme, and the breathing. Then I knew what was going to be played. The first two films were a setup for the third, and I figured that out at the end of TPM. All was going to be for Vader by the end. The love theme from AOTC didn't do it for me either really, but again, Vader's theme creeped out the end. ROTS has the old traditional theme ending.

The reason I say dislike is because I think at first you had people who were kind of in denial of how they felt for the movies. It had been years since their had been new "Star Wars" so people had super high hopes for them, especially after not liking some of the changes done to the original films in the special editions. Also going back to see a movie is not uncommon with something as big "Star Wars" even if you dislike it. Fans are very loyal when it comes to things they love and it's hard to move on from something even if it lets them down.

Jason

 

[JD]

I think the prequels were disliked almost instantly by most fans, or at least older fans. New fans I suspect were to young to really have their voice heard at the time. Plus their was still a lot of backlash going on with George Lucas over the special editions with the Classic movies.

The new movies I think people mostly enjoy because people see them as improvements over the prequels but they do have a advantage over the prequels since they feature actors who played a big role in the Classic film.
I actually think "Star Wars" might actually start becoming less popular once they move beyond Harrison Ford,Mark Hamil and Carrie Fisher. I think people underestimate just how important those actors have been.

Jason

I think the success of Rogue One has already proven this isn't true.

 

[Shinzon4u]

I think the success of Rogue One has already proven this isn't true.

I mean, it had Tarkin and Vader and was heavily reliant on OT iconography and organizations (Empire and Rebels).
I really don't think people give a h**k about the the First Order and the Resistance in that way or to that degree.