The STAR TREK Movies, As Ranked By STAR TREK Con-Goers

Discussion in 'Star Trek Movies: Kelvin Universe' started by serenitytrek1, Aug 12, 2013.

  1. Cyrus

    Cyrus Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Feb 10, 2002
    Los Angeles
    Yes it was obvious from the start that the author of the original article was looking for an attention grabbing headline, and managed to round up the right people at the convention. "Trekkies think new movie is the worst Trek movie" was the best choice for that by far. The next best would have been "Trekkie think it's the best movie", though that would have been a distant second. "Trekkies think STiD is the 3rd best movie or 8th best movie" wouldn't have generated any attention.

    Isn't this the same guy who included the "Abrams may quit the new Star Wars movie" tidbit in the middle of an article? He knew full well that would generate a lot of attention.
  2. Smellmet

    Smellmet Commodore Commodore

    Aug 5, 2013
    The Northern Shires of England.
    I was under the impression that they would simply fire up the thrusters and simply take off, after all in STID alone we see the Enterprise in flight within a planets atmosphere and do submarine duties...
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  3. BillJ

    BillJ Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Seems like you're bringing issues that you have had with other installments of the franchise into the argument. Star Trek: Voyager definitely isn't my favorite installment of the franchise but, once again, I don't think you're thinking it through from the angle of the universe the franchise created.

    The thing about being 70,000 light-years from home is that you have to think about crew morale. No matter how nice the ship, the majority of those 150+ crew that never go on Away Team missions are going to go stir-crazy looking at the same gray corridors for seventy-years.

    Who said they use anti-matter planetside? You can easily do that as a final step before testing. Bringing it aboard after you've moved the ship to orbit and have a self-sufficient habitat to work in.

    I don't think we're talking past each other at all. You seem to hold it against this iteration of the franchise that they didn't use real-world theories on how best to build a large interstellar spacecraft. I look at it as a universe that has its own rules and figure that a society that can manipulate gravity and matter may be fine building a starship on the ground. It's a universe that has its own rules about a great many things that likely would be problematic, if not totally impossible in our world.

    Does it go against Roddenberry's intent that the Enterprise be built in orbit? Sure. But I'm okay with a different interpretation. It's entertainment after all. YMMV.
  4. Nerys Myk

    Nerys Myk Kang, now with ridges Premium Member

    Nov 4, 2001
    House of Kang
    They could do it that way. But I think using anti grav and tractors is better and less disruptive.
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  5. thumbtack

    thumbtack Commodore Commodore

    Dec 27, 2002

    The comments are hilarious, though...

    "I demand to know the weight and marital status of the males who voted in that poll!"

    I guess the British population detests us just as much as the American population does.

  6. Shaka Zulu

    Shaka Zulu Commodore Commodore

    Mar 28, 2013
    Bulawayo Military Krral
    The same kind of people that go to SDCC and Fan Expo-both of those conventions are just like Creation anyway, with little of what the old standard fan-run cons used to have (and that's why I prefer fan run ones like Anime North and Reversed Polarity that are held where I live in Toronto-they are real cons, or as close to my definition of 'real'.)
  7. Agenda

    Agenda Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Jul 28, 2009
    Don't know if I'd rate it last, but I'm glad I'm not the only one who's not a fan. Thought I was going crazy there for a minute. Look, people can dismiss this as a general hatred of nuTrek all they like, but the fact that the first Abrams movie did much better in the rankings should tell you something.
  8. BillJ

    BillJ Fleet Admiral Admiral

    I actually think Star Trek Into Darkness is a better movie than Star Trek 2009 and rank it third overall. :shrug:
  9. RyanKCR

    RyanKCR Vice Admiral Admiral

    Mar 26, 2001
    RyanKCR is living here in Allentown
    If I ranked the films:

  10. Noname Given

    Noname Given Vice Admiral Admiral

    May 22, 2001
    None Given
    What should it tell you? That Star trek fans who grew up watching the TNG era don't really like the different aesthetics of TOS, and think any new Star Trek should have the TNG 'We're always right/Rarely fight' aspect?

    STiD was truer to the original 'Star Trek' (You remember that version of Star Trek - without which TNG, DS9, et al would have existed); then even the majority of TOS films. It's 'more' Trek (IMO) then anything done in the TNG era.
  11. M'Sharak

    M'Sharak Definitely Herbert. Maybe. Moderator

    Aug 22, 2002
    Terra Inlandia
    Why? What difference does it make? If you don't like something, then you don't like it, and that ought to be that. Should it really require anyone else's agreement to validate an opinion?

    Why? What general hatred? It's just another movie that (for whatever reason) some people have decided they don't like.

    And what does it tell me? Go on - please 'splain it for everyone.
  12. King Daniel Beyond

    King Daniel Beyond Admiral Admiral

    Nov 5, 2008
    King Daniel Beyond

    Simon Pegg has words for those one hundred convention goers:

    We love you, Simon Pegg:techman:
  13. JarodRussell

    JarodRussell Vice Admiral Admiral

    Jul 2, 2009
    LOL. So if Into Darkness wasn't the worst on that list, then The Final Frontier would be the worst, and Shatner would say "Fuck you?" to those who didn't like it? And if TFF wasn't the worst, then Insurrection would be the worst, so Johnathan Frakes would say "Fuck you?" in response?

    Pegg, like the rest of the involved, have a pretty unprofessional attitude when it comes to criticism. So they didn't like your film, too bad. There are many films people don't like. There are probably also films Pegg doesn't like. I wonder if he wants to hear a Fuck you from those filmmakers just because his opinion differs. And when he took the job, he already knew how vocal and passionate the fanbase was. It's like moving into an apartment next to a railway and complaining about the noise.

    Perhaps we should stop ranking films altogether because it might hurt the sensibilities of the people who got paid to make them.

    As someone said somewhere before, they did rank Star Trek 2009 on #6/12 (13) films at that convention. Just like they ranked Frakes' First Contact #2 and Frakes' Insurrection #11. It's called taste.
  14. trevanian

    trevanian Rear Admiral

    Oct 14, 2004
    I'd imagine it tells us the same thing about the reboot that QUANTUM told us about the Bond pics ... that most people found it disappointing after being impressed (or fooled) into thinking the film preceeding it was something special.

    Even the box office was very similar, with QUANTUM generating close to CR's output, as was the case with the TREK films, and in both cases, the sequel films costing a decent chunk more.
  15. BillJ

    BillJ Fleet Admiral Admiral

    I just think it's funny that that is the only poll I've seen that ranks Into Darkness dead last and them putting Galaxy Quest in there was simply a way to insult the film even more.

    It really feels like a poll where the numbers were cooked. If there was actually a poll at all and the person responsible didn't just made it up because he/she has an ax to grind.
  16. ComicGuy89

    ComicGuy89 Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    Aug 8, 2013
    I don't think Pegg here is being any different than he usually is. The guy has a pretty foul mouth, and before he did Star Trek he used those same foul words against various odd-numbered Star Trek movies. What I'm getting at is that I don't think he's especially hurt or sensitive that a movie he starred in was shunned by this small group, rather, he's just rattling off as he usually does.

    It does feel that way. The problem with these polls is that you can't ever verify their authenticity, but you also have no proof to dismiss them as engineered.
  17. Kruezerman

    Kruezerman Commodore Commodore

    Jun 3, 2012
    Meatloaf with Macaroni and Cheese
    It's finally gotten to the point that the bullshit is getting called out. Taste has nothing to do with it.
  18. bbailey861

    bbailey861 Admiral Premium Member

    Oct 14, 2009
    Kingston, ON Canada
    Two thumbs up!!:bolian::techman:
  19. Noname Given

    Noname Given Vice Admiral Admiral

    May 22, 2001
    None Given
    OMO - pretty much this. I give a pig thumbs out to Simon Pegg for calling this bullshit poll for what it is - bullshit. :techman:
  20. The Stig

    The Stig Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

    Oct 28, 2004
    Behind the wheel.
    Absolutely. JJ-Trek is very much derived from the source material and has (rightly, to my mind) ignored the 'evolved humanity' bullshit that pervaded TNG-Trek. TOS was conceived as an action-adventure series set in space and the JJ films fit into that concept quite nicely. I'm continually shocked at just how faithful they are to TOS, actually. Say what you will about plotholes and weird science errors, these movies are like a blast from the past: a sixties sensibility done with modern pacing and effects.