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It might sound pretentious but I tend to prefer animated series when talking about stuff like Star Trek: TAS, or Batman: TAS. I know they are technically cartoons, but when I hear the term cartoon, I tend to think of stuff more geared towards little kids, while animated series tends to bring to mind more sophisticated mature stuff.

Well, they are technically animated cartoons. "Cartoon" means a drawing, e.g. an editorial cartoon in a newspaper, or the following image: :) If you're referring specifically to a film made of a series of sequential drawings that simulate movement, then that is, by definition, an animated cartoon. (Such as: :lol: ) Calling it just a cartoon is shorthand for "animated cartoon" -- so calling it animated is no more or less a shorthand. They're complementary ways of abbreviating the proper label. Society may ascribe artificial connotations of maturity or worth to the respective halves of the term, but either one is as technically accurate as the other. They just refer to different aspects of the work: the fact that it's a moving image vs. the fact that it's a drawn image.

I think that's less true in common practice nowadays as other terms supplant the usage of "cartoon" in most other contexts, outside the specific phrases "political cartoon" and "cartoonist". Nowadays I think when "cartoon" is used unmodified, "animated" is connoted in the absence of explicit context to the contrary. Like "razor" shifting in unmodified form from implying "straight razor" with "safety razor" requiring context to vice versa, or "sound film" turning to just "film" with "silent film" now requiring specification; it's turned over the years from abbreviation to etymology, and isn't really shorthand now anymore than goodbye is shorthand for "God be with ye" nowadays.
 
^Even so, I just don't see anything pretentious about using the routine terms "animated," "animation," anime, or any other variants. Saying Star Trek: The Animated Series is no more pretentious than saying Star Trek: The Motion Picture rather than Star Trek: The Movie. It's just a bit more formal -- which is hardly inappropriate in an official title.
 
^Even so, I just don't see anything pretentious about using the routine terms "animated," "animation," anime, or any other variants. Saying Star Trek: The Animated Series is no more pretentious than saying Star Trek: The Motion Picture rather than Star Trek: The Movie. It's just a bit more formal -- which is hardly inappropriate in an official title.

Oh, I definitely agree on that. "X: the animated series" even now seems to be the standard subtitle for an animated continuation or adaptation of a work, though I suspect that might be because of TAS so it doesn't really apply retrospectively there as an argument. But yeah, it never would've given me a sense of pretention and I wouldn't have even thought that was a connotation someone had until Stevil's post. (In fact, I think my reaction was more "oh, like B:TAS" when I first heard of it. :p )
 
Oh, I definitely agree on that. "X: the animated series" even now seems to be the standard subtitle for an animated continuation or adaptation of a work, though I suspect that might be because of TAS so it doesn't really apply retrospectively there as an argument.

If anything, it was Batman: TAS that started that convention. The series we now think of as Star Trek: The Animated Series was never officially called that before the 2006 DVD releases, as far as I can tell. Its original title was simply Star Trek. The Star Trek Concordance refers to it as "the animated episodes" or "Animateds" in the section heading. The ST Compendium simply places it under the heading "Animation." The ST Chronology calls it "the animated Star Trek" or "the animated series" as a description rather than a formal title. The pre-2006 home video releases called it The Animated Adventures of Gene Roddenberry's STAR TREK.
 
I'm not sure about officially, but I definitely specifically remember referring to it as "TAS" in contrast to "TOS" back in the early 90s myself, and I had to have gotten that terminology from somewhere; I can't imagine I invented it independently. Have you looked into the history of that specific acronym as opposed to the full version as a name for it? Maybe it was a fandom coining that got picked up as official with the DVD decades later?
 
Star Trek fans arguing over whether something is a cartoon or an animated series?

I guess some stereotypes really are true. ;P
 
If anything, it was Batman: TAS that started that convention. The series we now think of as Star Trek: The Animated Series was never officially called that before the 2006 DVD releases, as far as I can tell. Its original title was simply Star Trek. The Star Trek Concordance refers to it as "the animated episodes" or "Animateds" in the section heading. The ST Compendium simply places it under the heading "Animation." The ST Chronology calls it "the animated Star Trek" or "the animated series" as a description rather than a formal title. The pre-2006 home video releases called it The Animated Adventures of Gene Roddenberry's STAR TREK.

We mustn't forget The Completely Useless Star Trek Encyclopedia, which lists all of the episodes of the cartoon, with a footnote that reads (from memory), "A number of live-action episodes were also produced."

Star Trek fans arguing over whether something is a cartoon or an animated series?

I guess some stereotypes really are true. ;P

Heh heh heh. My work here is done.
 
If anything, it was Batman: TAS that started that convention. The series we now think of as Star Trek: The Animated Series was never officially called that before the 2006 DVD releases, as far as I can tell. Its original title was simply Star Trek. The Star Trek Concordance refers to it as "the animated episodes" or "Animateds" in the section heading. The ST Compendium simply places it under the heading "Animation." The ST Chronology calls it "the animated Star Trek" or "the animated series" as a description rather than a formal title. The pre-2006 home video releases called it The Animated Adventures of Gene Roddenberry's STAR TREK.

We mustn't forget The Completely Useless Star Trek Encyclopedia, which lists all of the episodes of the cartoon, with a footnote that reads (from memory), "A number of live-action episodes were also produced".

Best non-fiction Star Trek book ever produced! :D
 
"Autumn 2016" is too far away...I want to order it now! I haven't even found my copy of the 2nd edition since I moved last year.
 
Very excited about this. I'm relieved to read that the reboot movies will be incorporated --I had this image in my head of the fundamentalists ripping an appendix off their copies-- but it seems odd that this alternate timeline is included and not the Prime Universe stories of TAS. I guess I have to keep my Concordance. :-)

ETA: and now my mind flashed back to that fellow who was working on a third edition of the Concordance. I wonder whatever happened to him and that project? He was NOT going to include the JJ-verse, most pointedly.
 
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Very excited about this. I'm relieved to read that the reboot movies will be incorporated --I had this image in my head of the fundamentalists ripping an appendix off their copies

If someone will do that here, please YouTube it :p

Or donate the book to me ;) I'll pay for the shipping.
 
Very excited about this. I'm relieved to read that the reboot movies will be incorporated --I had this image in my head of the fundamentalists ripping an appendix off their copies-- but it seems odd that this alternate timeline is included and not the Prime Universe stories of TAS. I guess I have to keep my Concordance. :-)

ETA: and now my mind flashed back to that fellow who was working on a third edition of the Concordance. I wonder whatever happened to him and that project? He was NOT going to include the JJ-verse, most pointedly.

I'm pretty sure he got banned from TrekBBS. Unsurprisingly, no noise anywhere about the new Concordance.
 
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