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The Star Trek Encyclopedia getting first update since 1999!

I got this book a couple weeks ago when it fist came out via Amazon. I really think it's nifty, just something "satisfying" about having a hard-bound, physical, written copy of something. And then for it to be here with two large volumes in a heavy block of papery materials.

For me to get the books out of the box I just sort of just turn the box "upside down" close to the table/floor and then slowly lift it, maybe giving it a slight shake, allowing the books to fall out under gravity and their own weight.

The outer box already some slight creases and "dents" in it just from simple impacts. Wish the exterior was maybe made out of a sturdier material.

I see, personally, no need for TAS to be included aside from the parts of it that've been referenced in the live-action series. Making the whole thing "official canon", really, would just sort-of complicate things (namely things like the holodeck which the TAS had a version of and TNG implied it was a relatively new technology or at least vastly more remarkable than whatever equivilant technology existed before.) There's plenty of other little quibbles and complications that would cause based on the stories and events and TAS and, I dunno, it feels weird to include an animated series in with a series of live-action works.

Though, I could maybe see including TAS only with a symbol or call-out being next to entry to say it's part of TAS and, thus, not "official canon."

Along the same lines, I sort-of wish the JJ/Kelvin timeline wasn't included in the main section(s) of the book. Because it's just sort of a reminder of some of the "sillier" stuff about that part of the franchise that annoys me. Like on the Enterprise lineage section the Kelvin Enterprise is shown and it's as big as, or bigger, than E-D! Sorry that's just ludicrous and can't be waved away by the "divergent events" at the beginning of the 2009 movie.

I think the Kelvin stuff should have been in its own volume or maybe its own separate section of the second book, removed from the "main franchise" of events and stuff. Call outs and references back to the "main section" and relevant sections in the "main section" also saying, "See: Kelvin Timeline Section."

Given the fan division over the new movies and the rest of the franchise lumping them together this closely is just.... "messy." I mean, why is the 2009 Enterprise so damn big?! Why does it have a "windshield" as opposed to a view screen?

Arrghhh.. Calm down. Calm down. Let it go.

Anyway, just a fun thing to have it's fun just sort of flipping through it, skimming it and such. Color pictures, nice shiny, slick reference book pages that have that neat "reference book smell." :) And I dunno, the fact that it weighs like 10 pounds is just fun.
 
I see, personally, no need for TAS to be included aside from the parts of it that've been referenced in the live-action series. Making the whole thing "official canon", really, would just sort-of complicate things (namely things like the holodeck which the TAS had a version of and TNG implied it was a relatively new technology or at least vastly more remarkable than whatever equivilant technology existed before.)

I guess that depends on whether you think of this as an in-universe reference that pretends the universe is real, or a real-world reference about a fictional franchise. In the latter case, it would be strange to leave out an entire series that belongs to the franchise.

As far as certain TAS episodes contradicting things in later Trek, so do parts of the live-action series. "The Alternative Factor" contradicts every other portrayal of antimatter and dilithium. The Final Frontier contradicts later series' portrayal of galactic travel times. Heck, even TNG's claim that holodecks were new was contradicted by Voyager when it established that Janeway had grown up with Flotter & Trevis holo-stories. No large canon is entirely self-consistent, so it's a double standard to treat TAS's inconsistencies as disqualifying when equivalent inconsistencies in live-action Trek are glossed over.

And really, the policy that TAS was not "official canon" ceased to carry any weight the day Roddenberry died 25 years ago. Multiple canonical Trek productions have been freely referencing elements and ideas from TAS ever since, it's included in Memory Alpha and StarTrek.com, it's on Netflix along with the other shows, it's treated as an essentially equal part of the canonical franchise everywhere except fandom and this new Encyclopedia.


I dunno, it feels weird to include an animated series in with a series of live-action works.

It's not unheard of for largely live-action franchises to have canonical animated installments. Star Wars: The Clone Wars and Star Wars Rebels are canonical within the Star Wars universe. The Arrowverse includes the canonical animated webseries Vixen and will include a second, upcoming one, The Ray. Doctor Who has had one or two original animated miniseries that have been referenced in the live-action canon (at least Dreamland was, with its characters and elements showing up in The Sarah Jane Adventures). In movies, The Animatrix is canonical in the Matrix universe, and I believe The Chronicles of Riddick: Dark Fury is canonical in that universe.

There are even a few cases of animated series having in-continuity live-action installments. The first live-action Ben 10 movie was meant to be part of the series canon (I was told as much in person by the producers at New York Comic-Con one year), though it was later retconned to be an alternate timeline of the series's multiverse. The traditional/CGI animated hybrid Code Lyoko (with "reality" in traditional animation and VR in CG animation) was followed up by a live-action/CGI sequel series. And there have been several live-action Fairly Oddparents movies from the makers of the animated show, but I'm not sure if continuity is a word that even applies there.

I guess it seems natural to me since, as a kid, I discovered TOS and TAS within (probably) weeks of each other and watched them alternately (since TAS was still in first run at the time). So 5-year-old me saw them as a single whole that was sometimes live action and sometimes a cartoon.


Along the same lines, I sort-of wish the JJ/Kelvin timeline wasn't included in the main section(s) of the book. Because it's just sort of a reminder of some of the "sillier" stuff about that part of the franchise that annoys me. Like on the Enterprise lineage section the Kelvin Enterprise is shown and it's as big as, or bigger, than E-D! Sorry that's just ludicrous and can't be waved away by the "divergent events" at the beginning of the 2009 movie.

I find it odd that everyone seems to assume that starships would have to get bigger as they got more advanced. If anything, technology often gets more compact as it gets more advanced. A more high-tech ship might not need to be as big -- the equipment wouldn't need to be as bulky and there wouldn't necessarily be as many people required to do a task. So there's no reason there has to be a linear increase in ship size over time.

(Although I do agree it was rather silly that the filmmakers decided to exaggerate their Enterprise's size so much.)


Given the fan division over the new movies

I think that's exaggerated by the fact that the Internet allows a vocal minority to dominate a conversation. There have always been fans that rejected any new incarnation of Trek as "unreal," including TAS, the first set of movies, TNG, and every subsequent series. But over time, no matter how vehement the objections or how problematical the continuity errors (and TWOK has some huge ones), they eventually come to be seen as part of the whole. A reference book is written for posterity.
 
TNG's claim that holodecks were new was contradicted by Voyager when it established that Janeway had grown up with Flotter & Trevis holo-stories.

Just because they were holo-STORIES doesn't mean she had to use a holo-DECK to view them.

Could have been a small, portable hologram generator, something along the lines of the device used to view Tasha's hologram in "Skin of Evil".
 
Along the same lines, I sort-of wish the JJ/Kelvin timeline wasn't included in the main section(s) of the book. Because it's just sort of a reminder of some of the "sillier" stuff about that part of the franchise that annoys me. Like on the Enterprise lineage section the Kelvin Enterprise is shown and it's as big as, or bigger, than E-D! Sorry that's just ludicrous and can't be waved away by the "divergent events" at the beginning of the 2009 movie.

I think the Kelvin stuff should have been in its own volume or maybe its own separate section of the second book, removed from the "main franchise" of events and stuff. Call outs and references back to the "main section" and relevant sections in the "main section" also saying, "See: Kelvin Timeline Section."

Given the fan division over the new movies and the rest of the franchise lumping them together this closely is just.... "messy." I mean, why is the 2009 Enterprise so damn big?! Why does it have a "windshield" as opposed to a view screen?

Arrghhh.. Calm down. Calm down. Let it go.
The mirror universe has an inexplicably human Vic Fontaine, the same people interacting across two centuries despite massively different circumstances and Worf's flagship is a superdupersized Negh'var battle cruiser. Their 23rd century technology is the same as Prime, even though they've had a Constitution-class ship for a century. Should all mirror universe episodes be removed from the Encyclopedia, too?
 
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The mirror universe has an inexplicably human Vic Fontaine, the same people interacting across two centuries despite massively different circumstances and Worf's flagship is a superdupersized Negh'var battle cruiser. Their 23rd century technology is the same as Prime, even though they've had a Constitution-class ship for a century. Should all mirror universe episodes be removed from the Encyclopedia, too?

But the mirror universe was pretty much in a constant state of war, rebellion or just oppression of someone, while the Kelvin timeline should be a lot more peaceful in the time between the incursion and the bulk of ST09. As far as I know nothing "important" happened in that time (though I have only seen the first two Kelvin movies and read the first half of the After Darkness comic and just looked up Kelvin timeline on MB...) and the Kelvin should just be one of these ships that "disappeared under mysterious circumstances" as Chakotay said in VGR: "The Fight". Or did they find evidence that the Kelvin was destroyed by the Romulans or a potentially aggressive species?
 
The Kelvin's 800 survivors made it back to Earth, and human-Romulan relations changed considerably in the next 25 years - Romulan appearance is known, Romulan languages and their link to Vulcans are known, Romulan ale is known all long before "Balance of Terror" - so something big must have happened once the Kevin survivors returned.

Edison's comments in Beyond about "breaking bread with our enemies" implies the Federation of the Kelvin timeline to be on far better terms with the Romulans than their Prime counterparts at the time, although he may have been speaking of the Xindi.

The recent Kelvin Timeline expansion to Star Trek Online goes into some detail about KT technological development here:
https://www.arcgames.com/en/games/s...057893-kelvin-timeline-lockbox-and-lobi-ships
 
The Kelvin's 800 survivors made it back to Earth, and human-Romulan relations changed considerably in the next 25 years - Romulan appearance is known, Romulan languages and their link to Vulcans are known, Romulan ale is known all long before "Balance of Terror" - so something big must have happened once the Kevin survivors returned.

Oh yeah there were survivors. I completely forgot that.
 
From the comments here I think I'll pass on this book. I was looking forward to it but seems that the problems people have with the new edition is something that would probably bother me too (except for the TAS thing). I have the 94 and 97 editions which I love dearly.
 
Just because they were holo-STORIES doesn't mean she had to use a holo-DECK to view them.

Could have been a small, portable hologram generator, something along the lines of the device used to view Tasha's hologram in "Skin of Evil".

She mentioned doing something in the stories, which implies interacting with the characters, though I suppose it could be similar to a sports video game where you control a character that's supposed to be "you" in the game.
 
In the Litverse, one of the proposed candidates by the high-ups in Starfleet to replace Emperor Spock was said to be a direct descendant of Khan as reason for supporting him, which suggests that there definitely was a certain amount of respect for the Augments in the MU.

There is also a NX-Class named ISS Khan's Wrath.
 
To be fair, a lot of people have taken the weird sparks that popped out from his body when he's shot (that we've never seen with anyone else) as indicating that he's some kind of android, not a human. So he could still be AI, at least :p

Remember, he isn't called VIC Fontaine...just Fontaine.

My theory is that this is actually the mirror Felix.

In the regular universe, Felix is the programmer who created Vic. I always thought that Felix was some sort of overworked, unappreciated cubicle drone...who "wrote" Vic as a kind of idealized self-image, a way to live out his dream. (Hey, the EMH looks like Lewis Zimmerman, so it stands to reason that Vic looks like Felix... ;) )

...and so Mirror Fontaine isn't Vic, he's MU Felix, who is every bit the badass warrior that regular universe Felix isn't.

Besides, I find it unlikely that any human in the mirror universe has the technology or the ability to create androids anyway. Humans are slaves, after all, so when are they going to find means, motive OR opportunity?
 
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Remember, he isn't called VIC Fontaine...just Fontaine.

My theory is that this is actually the mirror Felix.

In the regular universe, Felix is the programmer who created Vic's program. I always thought that Felix was some sort of overworked, unappreciated cubicle drone...who "wrote" Vic as a kind of idealized self-image, a way to live out his dream. Hey, the EMH looks like Lewis Zimmerman, so it stands to reason that Vic looks like Felix...

...and so Mirror Fontaine isn't Vic, he's MU Felix, who is every bit the badass warrior that regular universe Felix isn't.

Besides, I find it unlikely that any human in the mirror universe has the technology or the ability to create androids anyway. Humans are slaves, after all, so when are they going to find means, motive OR opportunity?

While this explantion of Felix presumably can never now be printed (say by DRG), I love this idea. I presume we will meet Felix at some point soon, given Vic's issues.
 
She mentioned doing something in the stories, which implies interacting with the characters, though I suppose it could be similar to a sports video game where you control a character that's supposed to be "you" in the game.

Game avatar doesn't even have to be the person playing, honestly; that's the same phrasing I use for describing anything I do in a game, whether or not the avatar's supposed to be me personally. Same phrasing I see most people use too.
 
We had the pleasure of talking Michael and Denise Okuda in the latest Literary Treks about the new edition!
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Along the same lines, I sort-of wish the JJ/Kelvin timeline wasn't included in the main section(s) of the book.

I think the Kelvin stuff should have been in its own volume or maybe its own separate section of the second book, removed from the "main franchise" of events and stuff. Call outs and references back to the "main section" and relevant sections in the "main section" also saying, "See: Kelvin Timeline Section."

I think that is a perfectly wonderful idea. Splitting these two major time lines would have been good. That could clear up new fans confusions, and help us older fans, know what happened in both timelines and what only occurred in one. Also, speculation as to when the timelines split could be part of that section.
 
Remember, he isn't called VIC Fontaine...just Fontaine.

My theory is that this is actually the mirror Felix.

In the regular universe, Felix is the programmer who created Vic. I always thought that Felix was some sort of overworked, unappreciated cubicle drone...who "wrote" Vic as a kind of idealized self-image, a way to live out his dream. (Hey, the EMH looks like Lewis Zimmerman, so it stands to reason that Vic looks like Felix... ;) )
I'd always assumed Vic was a recreation of a real person from back in the '60s and that Felix was just a big fan. Wasn't there even a mention of a historical Vic in one of the Eugenics Wars books?
 
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