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Spoilers The Spore Drive's final fate

F. King Daniel

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It's retired at the end of season one, resurrected and used throughout season 2 but classified and buried at the end along with anything relating to Discovery, the Red Angel timesuit and Michael Burnham. The USS Discovery is flung to the distant future where season 3 will take place, removing the characters from the equation. Presumably, they'll keep using it in the 32nd century.

This is entirely unsatisfying as a reason for Voyager and DS9 to not resurrect or reinvent from scratch the spore drive tech to render their distance-based premises obsolete. I was expecting the spore network to be blocked off by the woodland critters that live inside it, or by people on our side. Not just put a Starfleet classified stamp on it and carry on.

While I loved the season and it's finale, that part does not cut it.
 
King Daniel Beyond said:
While I loved the season and it's finale, that part does not cut it.
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I couldn't help but laugh at the completely over-the-top "fix" for "canon." Not just for the spore drive, but also why we'd never heard of the Discovery or Michael before. Like, us only seeing maybe 5% of the daily lives of the TOS characters in the original series and movies wasn't sufficient, there has to be this overblown justification that also doesn't make very much sense if you even so much as glance at it.

It's just dumb, and as a viewer frankly I feel patronized that they think this is what I want.
 
Stamets injury combined with the damage to the chamber, Control leaking metal all over it, I doubt they'll have it working for months (if ever). And drive systems in the 32nd century will make even it look slow or useless anyway.
 
The funny thing is:
I knew they were never going to make a modern television show that looked like a 60s television show. They made quite a few mistakes in their first season regardless - but they also had a lot of behind-the-scenes issues, so that's forgivable.

Nevertheless, as soon as season 2 started, I was pretty much in comfort with the notion of this universe still being the "old", familiar Star Trek universe. The one where a few years later Kirk and Spock travel the galaxy, and a hundred years later Voyager and Deep Space Nine. Like - sure, there were some inconsistencies. But there have ALWAYS been some in Star Trek. That's simply anavoidable for any franchise this size. Just ask MARVEL.

And yet - in their over-eager attempt to "fix" the differences - they actually only made it all the more obvious how much it doesn't fit. I'm now firmly in the "This is a reboot"-camp, and no matter what happens on DIS - weather the past, or the far future - has ANY consequences whatsoever for the rest of the original Trek universe.
 
This was a pretty poor explanation, sure. Especially with such a rubbish sticking plaster as "oh well we'll never talk about it".

The idea that the mycelial network and the potential to use it for travel would remain completely unknown forever just because Starfleet decided it was secret is a bit ludicrous. The Klingons saw it in action, wouldn't they be researching it?
 
Gepard said:
I couldn't help but laugh at the completely over-the-top "fix" for "canon." Not just for the spore drive, but also why we'd never heard of the Discovery or Michael before. Like, us only seeing maybe 5% of the daily lives of the TOS characters in the original series and movies wasn't sufficient, there has to be this overblown justification that also doesn't make very much sense if you even so much as glance at it.

It's just dumb, and as a viewer frankly I feel patronized that they think this is what I want.
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And yet other people would complain if they did nothing about "fixing" it. They could not have won any way.
 
saladdays said:
And yet other people would complain if they did nothing about "fixing" it. They could not have won any way.
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Which means they shouldn't run thier show in an attempt to please any group of critics. If people are going to bitch no matter what, than do the thing that makes the most sense for the story, not the thing that pays off the "patience" that Kurtzman asked fans to have. Because it's clear they did this out of the desire to suck up to the hardcore fans. I say fuck that.

(Also, I checked out Ex-Astris's Facebook page. Those "other people" are bitching anyway.)
 
Gepard said:
Which means they shouldn't run thier show in an attempt to please any group of critics. If people are going to bitch no matter what, than do the thing that makes the most sense for the story, not the thing that pays off the "patience" that Kurtzman asked fans to have. Because it's clear they did this out of the desire to suck up to the hardcore fans. I say fuck that.
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I don't think it's "clear." Perhaps the way it ended up was changed somewhat to try to appease some fans, but we don't really know how they originally wanted it to play out.
 
cultcross said:
This was a pretty poor explanation, sure. Especially with such a rubbish sticking plaster as "oh well we'll never talk about it".
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And it puts a big spotlight on how illogical the Trek universe is, too. This is a culture that pees its pants at the idea of genetic engineering and AI, and now also will bury a revolutionary drive technology just because it was installed on the same ship as some data that an angry AI wanted to use...but at the same time, they have no problem with consoles that explode and kill crewmembers at the drop of a hat, nor (in the TNG era) with simulator technology that can and will kill you if you have a setting wrong somewhere. But don't you dare talk about Michael Burnham!

The longer this whole franchise goes on, the more absurd it gets with them trying to square all these particular circles. I just want them to tell an engaging story, and let me worry about if I like how it fits in with sacred canon or whatever. Is that so hard?

I'm so fucking done with this. I swear they should never have let fans make a show.
 
Gepard said:
And it puts a big spotlight on how illogical the Trek universe is, too. This is a culture that pees its pants at the idea of genetic engineering and AI, and now also will bury a revolutionary drive technology just because it was installed on the same ship as some data that an angry AI wanted to use...but at the same time, they have no problem with consoles that explode and kill crewmembers at the drop of a hat, nor (in the TNG era) with simulator technology that can and will kill you if you have a setting wrong somewhere. But don't you dare talk about Michael Burnham!

The longer this whole franchise goes on, the more absurd it gets with them trying to square all these particular circles. I just want them to tell an engaging story, and let me worry about if I like how it fits in with sacred canon or whatever. Is that so hard?

I'm so fucking done with this. I swear they should never have let fans make a show.
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Gepard said:
The longer this whole franchise goes on, the more absurd it gets with them trying to square all these particular circles. I just want them to tell an engaging story, and let me worry about if I like how it fits in with sacred canon or whatever. Is that so hard?
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Yes, it is.
 
Gepard said:
The longer this whole franchise goes on, the more absurd it gets with them trying to square all these particular circles. I just want them to tell an engaging story, and let me worry about if I like how it fits in with sacred canon or whatever. Is that so hard?
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Based on the Kurtzmann interview, it sounds like the time jump will allow for everything you're asking for, with not being between a rock & a hard place in the canon era that DSC's been in so far. We'll see if they'll deliver on those promises.
 
Thing is, letting fan concerns dictate your scripts is the least of the writers‘ problems. Crafting a season‘s worth of internally consistent story would be nice for a change. I‘m not so sure they‘ll suddenly be able to do that with season three being set in the 45th century or whatever. Basically, I‘ve lost every confidence in these writers to not somehow fuck everything up.
 
Michael said:
Thing is, letting fan concerns dictate your scripts is the least of the writers‘ problems. Crafting a season‘s worth of internally consistent story would be nice for a change. I‘m not so sure they‘ll suddenly be able to do that with season three being set in the 45th century or whatever. Basically, I‘ve lost every confidence in these writers to not somehow fuck everything up.
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I'm willing to give them the shot, mostly because BTS has been the definition of chaotic. Hopefully there are no more major changes to the production team and they can focus on the production and not backstage drama.
 
It's a silly explanation for a silly corner they thought they wrote themselves into. The odd thing is that it felt like they were setting up better reasons early in S2 and also in S1. I guess those wouldn't have fit in a post-climax scene of the finale though.
 
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