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The Shuttle Body Count

Shortly after loosing his candidacy for Chief Engineer; Lt. Joseph Carey signed up as Chief Shuttlecraft Operations Technical Supervisor of Building. The brief times we saw him in cargo bays throughout the series he was actually attempting to replicate parts to build new shuttlecrafts... now thats fact! ;)
 
Shortly after loosing his candidacy for Chief Engineer; Lt. Joseph Carey signed up as Chief Shuttlecraft Operations Technical Supervisor of Building. The brief times we saw him in cargo bays throughout the series he was actually attempting to replicate parts to build new shuttlecrafts... now thats fact! ;)
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what people don't often realize is that for the most part on Voyager there was not much to do. Episodes often took place weeks apart. It must have been very boring there a lot of the time just flying in a straight line. So they built shuttles.
 
The UK Star Trek magasine had a two page spread on this years ago, since its been that long I can't quite remember how each one was lost, but 18 shuttles were given away, destroyed completely, or so badly damaged as to be left behind or simply irretrievable.

17 shuttles and the first Delta Flyer lost, I have no idea how many the Intrepid class was meant to carry, but that sounds too high to me. Since in Season 6 in "Nightingale" we see no less than around 3-5 at the same time working on her Nacelles.
 
The UK Star Trek magasine had a two page spread on this years ago, since its been that long I can't quite remember how each one was lost, but 18 shuttles were given away, destroyed completely, or so badly damaged as to be left behind or simply irretrievable.

17 shuttles and the first Delta Flyer lost, I have no idea how many the Intrepid class was meant to carry, but that sounds too high to me. Since in Season 6 in "Nightingale" we see no less than around 3-5 at the same time working on her Nacelles.

that's not how many they carried at once. They just replaced them as they were destroyed
 
The UK Star Trek magasine had a two page spread on this years ago, since its been that long I can't quite remember how each one was lost, but 18 shuttles were given away, destroyed completely, or so badly damaged as to be left behind or simply irretrievable.

17 shuttles and the first Delta Flyer lost, I have no idea how many the Intrepid class was meant to carry, but that sounds too high to me. Since in Season 6 in "Nightingale" we see no less than around 3-5 at the same time working on her Nacelles.

that's not how many they carried at once. They just replaced them as they were destroyed
Exactly.

Plus debris re-replicated makes new shuttles and parts. Only things that can't be replicated are devices using energy or anti-matter. The casing can be designed but the matter/energy can't. That has to be aquired thru trade.
 
I like what the web site Strategic Design did for there version of the Intrepid class showing that they have about 2 shuttles sitting in Main Shuttlebay and an additional 15 in a Shuttlebay in the deck below, getting to Main Shuttlebay via an elevator. Before anyone jumps in and shouts this is non-canon it's probably the only thing we've got for a good explanation as to where the Shuttles were coming from.
 
I like what the web site Strategic Design did for there version of the Intrepid class showing that they have about 2 shuttles sitting in Main Shuttlebay and an additional 15 in a Shuttlebay in the deck below, getting to Main Shuttlebay via an elevator. Before anyone jumps in and shouts this is non-canon it's probably the only thing we've got for a good explanation as to where the Shuttles were coming from.

what is the standard compliment of shuttles on an intrepid class ship? 15 seems like a lot for such a small ship
 
I like what the web site Strategic Design did for there version of the Intrepid class showing that they have about 2 shuttles sitting in Main Shuttlebay and an additional 15 in a Shuttlebay in the deck below, getting to Main Shuttlebay via an elevator. Before anyone jumps in and shouts this is non-canon it's probably the only thing we've got for a good explanation as to where the Shuttles were coming from.

what is the standard compliment of shuttles on an intrepid class ship? 15 seems like a lot for such a small ship
The drawing could be done that way also just to show storage space.
 
Maybe they're there as a primary (or more preferred) escape device.

I know given the choice between a shuttle and a pod, I choose the former. I mean, in certain situations if there's time they could use them all with a well planned escape.
 
I like what the web site Strategic Design did for there version of the Intrepid class showing that they have about 2 shuttles sitting in Main Shuttlebay and an additional 15 in a Shuttlebay in the deck below, getting to Main Shuttlebay via an elevator. Before anyone jumps in and shouts this is non-canon it's probably the only thing we've got for a good explanation as to where the Shuttles were coming from.

what is the standard compliment of shuttles on an intrepid class ship? 15 seems like a lot for such a small ship
The drawing could be done that way also just to show storage space.

But then, why would they need so much storage space? They're storing Neelix's ship, and they still have plenty of room to spare. Eh, maybe they wanted all ships to be able to ferry supplies and people in a pinch.
 
what is the standard compliment of shuttles on an intrepid class ship? 15 seems like a lot for such a small ship
The drawing could be done that way also just to show storage space.

But then, why would they need so much storage space? They're storing Neelix's ship, and they still have plenty of room to spare. Eh, maybe they wanted all ships to be able to ferry supplies and people in a pinch.
Look at Voyagers design, it has very few labs and is mostly cargo space.

I figure because its a deep space scout ship, it would be collecting samples & supplies for it's journey an eventually bring those samples back to Starfleet. It's also been seen used as a escort ship on DS9, going deep into Romulan space. I'm just assuming any guest coming onboard would also have cargo or a smaller ship.
 
Two things, one is I cannot believe that a ship that carries about 150 people there would be 15 shuttles - does not make sense. Second is that most shuttles are not supposed to be warp capable I thought and therefore did not need matter/antimatter cores.
 
Two things, one is I cannot believe that a ship that carries about 150 people there would be 15 shuttles - does not make sense. Second is that most shuttles are not supposed to be warp capable I thought and therefore did not need matter/antimatter cores.
Don't the warp cores also power the ships?
 
Two things, one is I cannot believe that a ship that carries about 150 people there would be 15 shuttles - does not make sense. Second is that most shuttles are not supposed to be warp capable I thought and therefore did not need matter/antimatter cores.
Don't the warp cores also power the ships?

shuttles are warp capable, not as fast as a ship, but they still can go to warp. Especialy the Delta Flyer
 
Here's one tally of the shuttles destroyed, damaged or otherwise misplaced:

http://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/inconsistencies-voy.htm

The structure of the Voyager, with Main Engineering far aft, seems to severely limit the size of the main shuttlebay. OTOH, the interior sets were built to feature corners and dividing walls that conveniently make the sets very small and affordable while suggesting a larger, multisectioned overall facility. The combination makes it very difficult to believe that there would be lots of space onboard for storing entire shuttlecraft - but the maze also allows for fun things like the "Shuttlebay 2" often mentioned in dialogue, or the putative shuttlecraft construction workshop (which may in fact have been the same facility we saw in action constructing the first Delta Flyer).

Kirk's ship supposedly had four shuttles of size similar to those of the Voyager (or at least "all four" is how the shuttle complement of sister ship Exeter was described). There may also have been other types of shuttle aboard, such as the special variants we saw in TAS - but TAS also suggested that those variants were crowding the upper hangar deck, which in TOS was always empty, so the TAS contingent may have been temporary, for the duration of specific missions only.

Janeway's ship is roughly the same size as Kirk's, in terms of the shuttlebay area at least. It thus wouldn't seem likely for Janeway to have more than half a dozen shuttles aboard initially - perhaps an even mix of the Types 6, 8 and 12 often seen, plus possibly one example of the unseen Type 9 mentioned in "Resolutions". All those types were said or shown to be warp-capable at one point or another, and there were certainly more than two examples of each of the types (save the unseen 9) in evidence - at least two of each were destroyed or probably destroyed. So it would indeed seem that our heroes can build new warp drives for new shuttles, although perhaps only out of an existing stock of spares.

It doesn't really sound all that illogical. Surely this 24th century starship should be a veritable high tech factory, and surely it could churn out things like shuttlecraft, provided it had properly functioning replicators, and got the necessary raw materials from friendly ports. For a total of 17-18 lost (and perhaps the same number constructed), we get an average construction rate of less than three per year, which doesn't sound like much.

Timo Saloniemi
 
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