The Seekers: HBO-esque or Planet 'o Week

Discussion in 'Trek Literature' started by Nathan, Aug 6, 2013.

  1. Nathan

    Nathan Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

    May 18, 2008
    I know, I know, probably the Forward for the new Seeker series hasn't even been written yet, but I wonder if since Vanguard (as I've said is prolly the best thing ever to come to Trek Lit) was HBO-esque, I wonder if the author(s) will shift gears and make more Planet of the Week type books with the reset button at the end.

    Personally, I'm hoping for the HBO-esque type series, as I tend to grow weary of the Planet 'o Week type stories with the re-sent button at the end.

    Besides, Vanguard, the only things that I've felt Trek Lit has been spot-on with is the Typhon Pact series, Destiny Trilogy, the Lost Era books, and the DRGIII Spock-McCoy-Kirk trilogy. The rest as of late are hit or miss, with a lot of misses (and I say that of books over the past 10 years, but I digress).

    At any rate, what is your preference for Seekers being more HBO-type or Planet of the Week.....and ain't saying ALL Planet of the Week type books sux, but I think they are a lot harder to pull off these days.

    Your thoughts???
  2. King Daniel Beyond

    King Daniel Beyond Admiral Admiral

    Nov 5, 2008
    King Daniel Beyond
    If they're the kind of stories that could just as easily be told in TOS, TNG, DS9, VOY or ENT then this new series is a waste. It has to have something unique.
  3. David Mack

    David Mack Writer Commodore

    Jan 25, 2003
    New York, NY
    From the series bible for Star Trek: Seekers

    Thanks for the vote of confidence. :rolleyes:
  4. The Wormhole

    The Wormhole Admiral Admiral

    Jul 23, 2001
    From my perspective (and I admit I mangle things up frequently) it sounds like each book is going to be "planet of the week" type fare but with character arcs to continue to develop over the course of the series.
  5. BillJ

    BillJ Fleet Admiral Admiral

    Something to look forward to. While I still enjoy the 24th century books, they have been a bit on the dark side for a while. Seekers, along with TOS, will balance things out.
  6. Christopher

    Christopher Writer Admiral

    Mar 15, 2001
    It does -- the distinct crews of Endeavour and Sagittarius, and the very different type of starship that the latter is from what we're used to. Even if the basic story premises are the same type of adventures we've seen in TOS for decades, they're bound to play out differently due to the different personalities involved.

    I just remembered something which is a spoiler for the end of Vanguard:
    Didn't Captain Nassir die at the end, leaving Terrell as the captain? So is Terrell going to be the featured captain of the Sagittarius portions? If so, that's great. I've always felt he deserved more focus.
  7. JD

    JD Admiral Admiral

    Jul 22, 2004
    Arizona, USA
    I'm glad that these are going to be more stand alone. As much as I love getting the big complex arcs like Vanguard, it will be fun to get more exploration heavy stand alone stories.
    EDIT:I posted more but as soon as I posted it, I realized I was mistaken.
  8. Skywalker

    Skywalker Admiral Admiral

    Feb 24, 2005
    Forgive the writers for wanting to do something a little different instead of just more of the same.

    Since Seekers seems to be focusing mostly on the adventures of the Endeavour and Sagittarius, I imagine that while each book's main plot might center on a standalone plot, there will probably be character arcs that continue from book to book. So while Seekers will be episodic in terms of "A-plot," it will have a bit of a serialized feel to it where the characters are concerned, rather than getting everybody back to the status quo at the end of the story like old-school Trek.

    That's just my take on it, anyway, based on what I've read about the series so far. I'm probably wrong.
  9. Relayer1

    Relayer1 Vice Admiral Admiral

    Aug 21, 2011
    The Black Country, England
    Will there be any carry over from this shared TOS universe into the other TOS novels ?

    I don't mean a tight continuity like the 24th century stuff, but the occasional 'nod' in say, one of Greg's books would be nice !
  10. Patrick O'Brien

    Patrick O'Brien Captain Captain

    Feb 9, 2012
    Brooklyn NY

    I am sure Dave Mack will kill off a few people, etc... for you;) Keep things interesting.
  11. Christopher

    Christopher Writer Admiral

    Mar 15, 2001
    The tricky thing is, Seekers will be set between the 5-year mission and TMP, so there aren't going to be many TOS novels that could reference it. Although if I get to do more post-TMP novels someday, I might well work in some nods to it (or maybe we could even arrange some sort of crossover). I'm hopeful this might open the door for more post-TOS material.
  12. Jarvisimo

    Jarvisimo Captain Captain

    Jan 4, 2011
    Didn't they mention that it will go into the TMP era? This is from the pitch from Dayton's blog:

  13. flandry84

    flandry84 Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Jun 24, 2007
    Sunshine cottage,Lollipop lane,Latveria
    It was the "dark and gritty"part of Vanguard that interested me.
    Ah well.:sigh:
  14. Relayer1

    Relayer1 Vice Admiral Admiral

    Aug 21, 2011
    The Black Country, England
    You aren't on your own there...fingers crossed !
  15. DEWLine

    DEWLine Commodore Commodore

    Apr 27, 2003
    Ottawa, Canada
    Hoping for Christopher to get his wish.
  16. Corran Horn

    Corran Horn Vice Admiral Admiral

    Jun 4, 2001
    I wonder if these will be collections of stories, as the Blish books were, or will each be its own novel-length story.
  17. RoB

    RoB Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

    Apr 15, 2006
    I think they will be novel-length story. If I remember correctly, the announcement on Dayton Ward's homepage says they will rotate the perspective from book to book. So, in one book you have the Sagittarius and in the next the Endeavour. And from time to time, there may be crossovers. At least, that's the way I understand it.
  18. Christopher

    Christopher Writer Admiral

    Mar 15, 2001
    ^Yup. IIRC, Dave will focus on the Sagittarius and Dayton & Kevin on the Endeavour.

    I've realized that between this and Rise of the Federation (presuming that continues past book 2), there will be two simultaneous series which each feature two hero ships, one of which is named Endeavour -- one in the 22nd century, one in the 23rd. Now we just need a series featuring a 24th-century Endeavour (presumably NCC-71805) along with another ship, and we'll have a full set!
  19. indianatrekker26

    indianatrekker26 Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

    Oct 8, 2006
    i'm looking forward to this series. It got my butt in gear to finally read the rest of the vanguard series. I had read books 1-3, but then I got behind. so i'm starting back with Harbinger, and plan to burn through the whole series. I would think this would make a lot of fellow readers happy. One of the major complaints ive read across the lit boards in recent years, is that most of the trek (TNG era) has been too politically heavy.
  20. Paper Moon

    Paper Moon Commander Red Shirt

    Oct 28, 2011
    Regarding the OP's question: I really don't see how it has to be exclusively one or the other. There is an inherent drama to exploring strange new worlds that Star Trek has barely ever tapped. Think about "First Contact" (the episode), "Who Watches The Watchers?," "Move Along Home," "Allegience," "Justice"... While the quality of these stories varies from a real-world perspective, and while the Prime Directive violations mean that they are less palatable exploration experiences in-universe, they offer a taste of the potential for exploration stories to be highly dramatic and meaningful.

    Nathan, you assume that visiting one planet in one novel and then visiting another in the next demands a reset button. Narratively, there's no reason for that to be the case; it was only so because of the nature of television at the time. The novels are under no such constraint.

    For example, there was no reset button at the end of "Skin of Evil," "Yesterday's Enterprise" notwithstanding. ("Skin of Evil" works as a story, regardless of Crosby's subsequent desire to return to the show.) There was no reset button after Wildfire. You can still tell compelling long-term narratives within the episodic framework.

    So yeah. I really don't see why it has to be either-or.