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The Search for Spock by Vonda N. McIntyre

I hadn't really pinned down TSFS as the moment where the core cast of seven was solidly nailed down, that Scotty, Uhura, Sulu, and Chekov were part of the gang, but Chapel, Rand, and Kyle (never mind the other, even less-featured recurring characters) weren't, but it makes sense, given that TWOK could've led in any number of other directions.

I think that's overstating it. Scott, Uhura, Sulu, and Chekov appeared far more often in TOS than any of those others; Uhura was in 68 episodes, Scott in 64, Sulu in 51, and Chekov in 35 across the latter two seasons. Chapel was in 25 across three seasons, so she's borderline. But Rand was only in 8 episodes and Kyle in 11, putting them nowhere near the same category. If you throw in TAS, then Doohan, Takei, Nichols, and Barrett were all regular cast members along with Shatner, Nimoy, and Kelley, even if they weren't credited up front (and even if they weren't always playing their usual characters). So it gets a bit iffy around Chekov and Chapel, but otherwise, the movies were just following the precedent that had been established long before them. Look at the novels that were published during the '70s, and almost all of them feature that same core seven or sometimes eight characters.

If you look at the credits for TMP, Doohan, Takei, Nichols, Koenig, and Barrett are all credited as "Co-Starring," after the big three and before the two featured guest stars Khambatta and Collins, while Whitney was relegated to the supporting cast list along with everyone else. Ditto for the TWOK credits, minus Barrett. So it certainly didn't begin with TSFS. Every single TOS movie listed those same seven actors at the top of the credits above everyone else, except for TSFS excluding Nimoy's name.
 
Ah, my memory played me slightly false. There were, apparently, no problems with the writing of the Star Trek IV novelization. McIntyre recounts how it was Enterprise: The First Adventure for which, after she wrote a brief outline and began writing the book to hit the deadline, Paramount wanted the detailed outline.

Interesting. I enjoyed Enterprise: The First Adventure and remember it fairly fondly but I just can't get into the ST:IV novelisation. Although I did like the unexpected appearance of Admiral Cartwright early one.
 
When I was a kid I devoured every Star Trek book I could get my hands on. There wasn't a Bantam or Pocket Books Star Trek story I didn't read up until the early 90s. After that, my tastes largely went to classic literature and non-fiction.

There's a house two doors down that has one of those book exchange boxes on their front lawn and someone in this neighbourhood is a Trek fan because old Pocket Books titles keep showing up.

My wife and I just did our yearly watch of ST:IV (one of my three favourite feel good movies) and when I saw the ST:IV novelisation I grabbed it, thinking I'd just enjoy a Trek novel the way I used to and I just can't make it through. I've made a half a dozen attempts and made it maybe 20 pages in and, to me, it's just so bad I can't even enjoy it from a nostalgic perspective.

It's kind of weird. I can enjoy re-reading Weiss and Hickman's original Dragonlance novels (which are incredibly simplistic) but I can't enjoy re-reading old Pocket Books Star Trek.
The original Dragonlance trilogy (Autumn Twilight, Winter Night, and Spring Dawning) were based on a series of 12 dragon-themed AD&D modules, and some of the characterizations (ie. Raistlin's whispery voice) were established when Weiss, Hickman, and some friends had a role-playing session using the modules. So those novels follow the modules and unfortunately there are places where it's obvious where the scripted module encounters and choices are (especially when they get to Pax Tharkas and whenever they describe Raistlin using his then-limited number of spells). But the Legends novels, Weiss/Hickman-written short stories, the New Generation material, and Dragons of Summer Flame were not based on modules; they're original fiction.

The thing about the re-readability of Dragonlance is knowing that for some characters, life-changing events are going to happen. Some will marry and have children, some will die tragically and be mourned, one will disappear and his story won't be told until many years later in other source material, and of course while some characters just scream "Lawful Good" alignment, they're given a flaw that can warp or change their lives in unexpected ways. We find that Sturm was not always pure, and Raistlin - even when he committed himself to serving Takhisis - was still not wholly evil. And my favorite character in Dragons of Summer Flame was one of the Knights of Takhisis - a knight serving the cause of evil, but who still had a stern and unyielding sense of honor.

Contrast this to Star Trek, when we know how the characters are going to react in various situations, and in the non-movie novels they never have profound life-changing events happen to them that carries on to subsequent novels and means changing their worldviews or psyches over a period of time.

Star Trek was always predictable in that regard. Dragonlance wasn't. Not everyone in Dragonlance got a happy ending and there was no reset button.
 
Oh, I know. Back in the day my old friend and I had this crazy dream of moving to Lake Geneva, WI and working at TSR. Then WotC happened. Boo! AD&D 2E forever! ;)

The Chronicles remain my favourite, then the Legends. I bought and read the rest of their Dragonlance work but I never connected with it the way I did with the Chronicles and Legends. And I couldn't stand Caramon's kids.
 
Oh, I know. Back in the day my old friend and I had this crazy dream of moving to Lake Geneva, WI and working at TSR. Then WotC happened. Boo! AD&D 2E forever! ;)
I never got around to 3E or 3.5 or whatever comes after that. Most of my AD&D modules and source books are from the first edition.

I bought the original Dragonlance modules for the maps and sheet music - yes, they included actual sheet music for some of the songs... like The Song of Goldmoon (the song she sings at the Inn of the Last Home) and Est Sularus (a Solamnic hymn that translates as "My Honor"). The first song is beautiful and rather haunting. Est Sularus just blew me away. It's a magnificent piece of music, and after I learned to play it (on the spinet organ), I'd crank up the volume and just let it soar.

The Chronicles remain my favourite, then the Legends. I bought and read the rest of their Dragonlance work but I never connected with it the way I did with the Chronicles and Legends. And I couldn't stand Caramon's kids.
Well, two of them got killed off almost immediately, and I prefer Palin as he was in the short stories. I know there are novels about the girls, but haven't read them yet (I'm waiting to track down a couple).

The only "New Generation" character I liked was Steel Brightblade.

I should partially amend what I said above about the novels being original fiction. The Soulforge was based on a gamebook by the same title. It's a solo-player gamebook that's similar to Choose Your Own Adventure, but there are combats to resolve and choices to make. Both the gamebook and novel relate what happened during Raistlin's Test at the Tower of High Sorcery (after which he was cursed with the hourglass eyes; this takes place before the events of Dragons of Autumn Twilight).

A whole bunch of years ago, I started writing a crossover fanfic... combining Dragonlance and Doctor Who. Take Fizban and Tasslehoff, Sarah Jane and K-9, add in a weird situation with accompanying monsters, stir, and presto! You get a weird result that's not at all meant to be taken seriously. :p
 
I never got around to 3E or 3.5 or whatever comes after that. Most of my AD&D modules and source books are from the first edition.

I bought the original Dragonlance modules for the maps and sheet music - yes, they included actual sheet music for some of the songs... like The Song of Goldmoon (the song she sings at the Inn of the Last Home) and Est Sularus (a Solamnic hymn that translates as "My Honor"). The first song is beautiful and rather haunting. Est Sularus just blew me away. It's a magnificent piece of music, and after I learned to play it (on the spinet organ), I'd crank up the volume and just let it soar.


Well, two of them got killed off almost immediately, and I prefer Palin as he was in the short stories. I know there are novels about the girls, but haven't read them yet (I'm waiting to track down a couple).

The only "New Generation" character I liked was Steel Brightblade.

I should partially amend what I said above about the novels being original fiction. The Soulforge was based on a gamebook by the same title. It's a solo-player gamebook that's similar to Choose Your Own Adventure, but there are combats to resolve and choices to make. Both the gamebook and novel relate what happened during Raistlin's Test at the Tower of High Sorcery (after which he was cursed with the hourglass eyes; this takes place before the events of Dragons of Autumn Twilight).

A whole bunch of years ago, I started writing a crossover fanfic... combining Dragonlance and Doctor Who. Take Fizban and Tasslehoff, Sarah Jane and K-9, add in a weird situation with accompanying monsters, stir, and presto! You get a weird result that's not at all meant to be taken seriously. :p

We are totally hijacking this thread and should probably start another but...

OMG! As I recall, the version I had, Goldmoon's song was in 6/8 and the verses were something like Em / Cmaj7 / D / Em. Used to play it. And Michael's William's poetry and imagery was pretty influential on some my lyrics in my late teens and even early 20s. I actually wrote a song trilogy called "Song of Three Seasons" with the songs called Song of Autumn Twilight, Song of Winter Night (co-written) and Song of Spring Dawning. Other than the titles and some of William's influence they were just love lyrics, not about Dragonlance.

That crossover fanfic definitely works if you recall that Fizban is Zifnab (if you've read Weiss & Hickman's Death Gate Cycle) and Zifnab dropped numerous references to Dragonlance and 20th Century Earth. At the time I thought... "Oh... so Krynn becomes Earth which then becomes the Death Gate worlds."
 
What i mostly remember about Vonda McIntyre's novelizations is that they are among the most compatible early novels to Rick Bermans Star Trek.

Especially the way 23rd century Earth was presented in them, as a relatively lowtech place.
 
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I started to reply to this yesterday, then wanted to do more thinking about it.

For me, the movie era (1982-1986) is my native era of Star Trek, anchored by the films and cemented by the ongoing comic books, even though I recognize it's a very flawed era. It's what I grew up with. (Like Keith, I think Star Trek III isn't a particularly good film. The script is mechanical in the extreme, and Leonard Nimoy's pedestrian direction does it no favors.) Still, it's my era, and I have great fondness for it.

It's also the time when I read Walter Irwin and G.B. Love's Best of Trek books obsessively. Quite honestly, at that time, it was easier for me to get hold of those than it was the Pocket novels. The discussions on Star Trek II (volumes 6 and 7) and Star Trek III (volumes 8 through 10) were influential on my thinking when I was about ten.

I remember an article about a "fan on the street" survey. The writer went up to fans at a convention and asked them a number of questions. One of those questions was whether or not the main cast should be replaced over time by newer/younger characters (similar to M*A*S*H).

That may have been Harve Bennett's idea when he worked on Star Trek II -- Spock dies, we're introduced to a possible replacement, we meet Kirk's son -- but it was an idea quickly abandoned, as the next film undoes two of those three changes, and the film after that writes out the third. One of the movie era's great flaws is that, after cracking (though not entirely breaking) the status quo in Star Trek II, the next two films then seal up those cracks.

If that's what Bennett wanted to do -- reformat Star Trek with a replacement cast that can carry it for a long time -- biennial movies were the wrong format; when you only have two hours of content every 24-30 months and a large cast to fit in, there's only so much one can do. He would have needed something on a tighter timeframe, like television movies every six months or so. But Bennett's unwillingness to cut cast loose (like George Takei when he turned down Star Trek II) and his release schedule not only closed off the option of introducing a "next generation" but also cemented the idea of the "Big Seven" as opposed to the "Big Three" with familiar, semi-regular day players.

Star Trek III begins at the crossroads "for deciding whether to carry forward with new characters, or turn away and favor nostalgia by bringing back Spock." And when it ends, the franchise has turned irrevocably away -- at least until a new television series built a new crew from the ground up.

To bring this back to the novels, one of the things I liked about McIntyre's novelization of this (and Star Trek II) was the sense that Starfleet was more than just the Enterprise. I have always been intrigued by Mandala Flynn's story mentioned in passing in the two books (she's commanding a ship that's testing transwarp drive and exploring the Andromeda Galaxy), and I have wanted that story since the 1980s. McIntyre's Star Trek universe feels "big," and what happens with Kirk and the Enterprise only scratches the surface.

I meant to reply to this ages ago, but busy times, and forgetfulness delayed me. I too feel quite a strong affection and affinity for that specific section of ST, the 82-86 era. The look and feel of it, and what it introduces. I think your analysis is interesting, how some of the forward momentum of introducing new characters and situations gets curtailed is unfortunate.

We as fans want to see the familiar character back in action. Yet there's that idea of how ST can continue beyond that, and the sense of a bigger setting beyond the margins of the Enterprise and her crew. And there's the fact that new material wasn't being produced very rapidly. Spock's death is a major shake-up, but there's a two-year wait before the impact is seen. When it's only movies every couple of years, and you get to the tension point of choosing to favor new or old...I've seen (and thought about) alternative ways that might have juggled those elements.

When it comes to the idea of resurrecting a character, the story for TSFS sells it well from the standpoint that there's a heavy cost to accomplish a miracle of that scale (science fiction or not). It's not as easy to remember the countless times a character dies for a short time in the television incarnation of TOS. The death of Spock has real weight, and reversing it has a terrible cost, and it's why it's a convincing resurrection story, I guess. One of the best.

The Enterprise and David. Both of them die, as the penalty for bringing back Spock. And there's good argument for not simply putting the crew on a new ship that looks exactly like the old one. David, though, well...I think there's a case to be made for diminishing TSFS as a convincing resurrection story, for the sake of having saved him.

It would have been really interesting to advance the character of David, and make it impactful for the character of Kirk. And there's the tendency to pair David with Saavik, but let's say hypothetically it's not necessarily a romantic one, you could still put them together for adventures, and if they're dynamic enough then that has a knock-on effect of giving the character of Saavik life outside of the idea that she is "Spock's replacement." When Spock comes back, and with David dead, she really has kind of been rendered redundant, to a certain extent, I guess (I don't necessarily buy that, I think a good writer could take the character and keep her going, either with the crew or on her own with other characters around her).

As for Vonda McIntyre's contributions, I really enjoyed the broader picture she introduces in The Entropy Effect. And she keeps some of the characters and situations in mind as she novelized three movies, and it's intriguing to imagine what she might have come up with. If David had lived, could we have gotten a novel about Saavik and David having adventures? A novel about Hunter and her ship Aerfen would have been great. In the same vein, one about Mandala Flynn and the Magellan. If I'm honest, on the weirder side of things, given what we learn from TWoK and TSFS novelizations, I would have liked a really long character piece about the lives and times of Del March and Vance Madison, with hints about the mystery of Del March and his past (never, never explicitly revealing his real name and origin), and an extensive appendix at the back for the gameplay outline of Boojum Hunt, the computer game that swallowed Saturn.
 
Also, McIntyre’s TVH novelization was among the first in the Pocket Books run to be heavily fucked-with by Richard Arnold during the writing process...
"Heavily Fucked With By Richard Arnold" seems to have been standard operating procedure during that era. Perhaps we should identify those books with the acronym "HFWBRA" as a disclaimer. :)
I enjoyed Enterprise: The First Adventure...
Oh, so you're the one! ;)
 
"Heavily Fucked With By Richard Arnold" seems to have been standard operating procedure during that era. Perhaps we should identify those books with the acronym "HFWBRA" as a disclaimer. :)

Oh, so you're the one! ;)

Hey... I was 13. Whaddya want? I didn't discover Dickens or Dostoevsky until the next year. ;)
 
Chimes of Midnight gives fans an alternate universe story of the events of Star Trek 3 story and It's really good.
 
I was just about to mention that one. For those unaware, it's the second novella in Myriad Universes: Echoes and Refractions, and it's an alternate version of The Search For Spock through The Voyage Home in a universe without Spock. It seems like it could be the universe from Yesteryear where Spock died, since Thelin is there, but I can't remember if that's every explicitly established.
One of the other big changes is that David survives the events of TSFS, and him and Saavik continue to be involved in all of the stuff going on afterwards. It's one of the best novellas in the series, and I highly recommend it if you like alternate universe stories.
 
...and it's an alternate version of The Search For Spock through The Voyage Home in a universe without Spock. It seems like it could be the universe from Yesteryear where Spock died, since Thelin is there, but I can't remember if that's every explicitly established.

Yes, that's exactly what it is -- except the main story begins earlier than that, at the climax of TWOK. The prologue is a meeting between Thelin and Sarek, who mentions losing his young son in the Kahs-wan and his wife soon thereafter.


One of the other big changes is that David survives the events of TSFS, and him and Saavik continue to be involved in all of the stuff going on afterwards.

Which makes sense -- with no Spock in that universe, there's no reason for Kirk to return to Genesis, and no reason for Kruge to force his hand by killing a hostage.

What disappoints me about The Chimes of Midnight, though, is that it doesn't explain how Earth survived V'Ger without Spock being there to meld with it and find the answers (or to fix the engines, though maybe Thelin could've handled that part).
 
I don't remember that occuring to me while reading Chimes, but it is an interesting point. Not addressing those sorts of issues seems to be a pretty common problem with these kind of "what if?" stories.
 
I don't remember that occuring to me while reading Chimes, but it is an interesting point. Not addressing those sorts of issues seems to be a pretty common problem with these kind of "what if?" stories.

Indeed. How many TOS and TAS episodes relied on Spock's unique skills and abilities to save the day? Thelin could've filled in for him in a number of cases, but there were others where only Spock could've done it. Chimes gives no indication that Thelin inherited any telepathy from his Aenar parent, so he can't fill in for Spock when mind melds are needed. I bet the Hortas were all killed off in the Chimes universe, for one thing.
 
Oh, so you're the one! ;)

I quite enjoyed "Enterprise: The First Adventure", too, mainly because it was such a chunky read at a time when most Trek novels were quite slender. It came out to celebrate the 20th anniversary but was at odds with many aspects of DC's comic annual, "All Those Years Ago", which covered the same premise. Despite DC and Pocket having done some cross-pollination up until then, there was none for these two stories.

I disliked the First Contact storyline of "Enterprise" at first reading, but this section translates really well in the abridged audio of the book. Really well done!

From memory, Stephen, the blond Vulcan who likes to smile, and Spock's previously unknown cousin, does not appear in the audio.
 
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