The Romulans

[Rek]

Did Romulus really get destroyed?

EDITED: Wait, after I posted that^ I realized it would of had to happen during Spock lifespan and would make no sense at all for TNG or DS9's timeline. Sorry, you may punch me now.

Anyway...back to my point:

Do you think the Romulans would ever have a future in UFP? After TNG Nemesis in 2379 I thought it was suggested that the relations between the two became closer then ever. The battle against the Dominion in 2374 didn't do much to bring them closer to the UFP. I could see it become very sour if they found out about Sisko's lie after. lol

I know the Romulans would have to change a lot. Its just a question though..

 

[KeepOnTrekking]

Yeah, I thought the Romulans could have had a future with the UFP. I thought the idea of Spock reunifying Vulcan with Romulus could have been the incentive for them to join the UFP eventually down the road. Unfortunately with ST XI and Romulus's destruction, it was a storyline killed in its prime that kind of strung all the Trek series togethr. With the Romulan involvemnet in stirring up trouble in Enterprise, Spock's involvement in TOS and TNG. It would have been nice to see Spock continue on his his father's footsteps and brought peace and unity between Vulcan and Romulus. As for the future Abrams' ST movies, it just all occurs in an altered timeline that I give no more consideration to than all those "mirror universe" episodes from TOS, DS9, and ENT. Fun to watch but not the prime Trek universe that I came to love.

 

[C.E. Evans]

They could always rename another planet Romulus. In fact, I remember from a map of the Neutral Zone in TOS' "Balance of Terror," another nearby star system named Rom II (or possibly Romii). That could easily be the location of a new Romulus in time...

Romulus forever! Long live the Empire!

 

[captcalhoun]

Romulus wasn't destroyed. that was some other weird universe where supernovae exploded at FTL speeds and spew radiation that'll wipe out all life in the galaxy.

 

[Arpy]

Romulas and Remus are gone.

It sucks major balls but there you have it.

Will the Star Empire survive without the homeworlds? Dunno. If it's too centralized as you'd imagine the arrogant Romulans to be, then yes. It'll disintegrate into sub-nations and may be gobbled up by the Klingons and other enemies entirely, or the invaded Romulan sub-nations will unify into a second-rate state a fraction of the size it was before.

Or this may be an opportunity for either/both side(s) to pursue Reunification. The empire will be still be dissolved but at least billions of Romulan lives won't be lost.

Or maybe the strongest of the colony worlds will rise to the fore in proper imperial fashion and grab the baton (or whatever those Roman things were) of power.

Given how precarious planets are to attack though, I wouldn't be surprised if all the interstellar nations are less centralized than would be fatal for them to lose their capital. Romulas, Earth, Qo'noS, Cardassia Prime...if anything should happen to Washington D.C. or New York, the loss would be tragic beyond words but the U.S. would continue.

My Federation I don't see so totally HQ'd on Earth. Like the internet, there may be hubs of importance, but should anything happen to one or a dozen of them, the rest will keep the information flowing.

 

[DevilEyes]

Yeah, I thought the Romulans could have had a future with the UFP. I thought the idea of Spock reunifying Vulcan with Romulus could have been the incentive for them to join the UFP eventually down the road. Unfortunately with ST XI and Romulus's destruction, it was a storyline killed in its prime that kind of strung all the Trek series togethr. With the Romulan involvemnet in stirring up trouble in Enterprise, Spock's involvement in TOS and TNG. It would have been nice to see Spock continue on his his father's footsteps and brought peace and unity between Vulcan and Romulus. As for the future Abrams' ST movies, it just all occurs in an altered timeline that I give no more consideration to than all those "mirror universe" episodes from TOS, DS9, and ENT. Fun to watch but not the prime Trek universe that I came to love.

Actually, in the "Alternate Universe", Romulus might still exist after 2387. They have enough time to plan how to destroy the Hobus star before it destroys Romulus. In the Prime Universe, it's bye-bye Romulus.

Romulus wasn't destroyed. that was some other weird universe where supernovae exploded at FTL speeds and spew radiation that'll wipe out all life in the galaxy.

So it's not the same universe where humans devolve into lizards, and people get split into a good and evil version of themselves in a transporter accident?

 

[captcalhoun]

when did anyone ever devolve into a lizard? i don't remember that.

 

[The Laughing Vulcan]

when did anyone ever devolve into a lizard? i don't remember that.

You're right. It wasn't a lizard, it was an amphibian. Two amphibians. Janeway and Paris went to Warp 10 without putting on their seatbelts, turned into salamanders and made little salamander babies together.

And destroying Romulus and Vulcan was the second dumbest thing about JJ Trek.


The dumbest was the brewery in engineering.

 

[mythme]

I don't understand your edit point about "during Spock's lifetime". You do realize that Spock is alive during the TNG/DS9 timeframe, right?

 

[DevilEyes]

when did anyone ever devolve into a lizard? i don't remember that.

You're right. It wasn't a lizard, it was an amphibian. Two amphibians. Janeway and Paris went to Warp 10 without putting on their seatbelts, turned into salamanders and made little salamander babies together.

Well, that changes the whole thing.

 

[T'Girl]

It'll disintegrate into sub-nations and may be gobbled up by the Klingons and other enemies entirely

I believe the most likely result will be a fracturing of "the old empire" into factions. The Romulan core worlds will stay united, the worlds with a higher percentage of ethinic Romulans, they'll hold on to most of the fleet too. Some former Romulan worlds will group together in pocket republics with small elements of the fleet swearing allegiance to them. Planets that had been subjected to conquest by the Romulans in the past with large indigenous populations and relatively small numbers of Romulan upper classes could see this as an opportunity to stage a revolution. Those near the outskirts of the old empire might seek assistance from surounding governments, the Federation could provide assistance to the systems neighboring their space. the Klingons and other would see this as a chance to increase the sizes of their empires. The Klingons probably regard the systems just on the other side of the frontier with the old empire as rightfully theirs anyway.

With the Romulan involvemnet in stirring up trouble in Enterprise, Spock's involvement in TOS and TNG. It would have been nice to see Spock continue on his his father's footsteps and brought peace and unity between Vulcan and Romulus.

This would offer more story ideas to the Star Trek writers, not less. The Romulans would be much more dynamic than before. Spock work for decades toward reunification between the Vulcanoids in the galaxy, this is one of the reason that I think that the Spock in ST Eleven will try to return to his original universe, hard to see him abandoning his lifes work.

Don't think he can even get back? We're talking about Spock here!

 

[mtblillie]

^^^ I agree on many points. I always kind of thought of the Romulan Empire as the Soviet Union. As a general rule, the romulans (and soviets) were bad, but when you get down to it the ppl are good but the government is bad (true in both instances), then you've got the few ppl with power that realise that the government is destroying the ppl and defect (also true in both cases), and finally you've got secret organizations sneaking ppl out of the Empire (country), also true in both cases. There was also the concept of the neutral zone, where no ship from either side could cross into. This isn't really as true in the real world, but it kind of reminded me of how aircraft would fly into each other's territory. They did it all the time but if they ever were caught it was "an act of war," same with a ship crossing the neutral zone.

It makes sense that after the fall of the Empire, the main group would still be seperate and moderately powerful, a smaller but still large group would retain as much power as possible and use it against the federation, and smaller non-romulan planets within the empire would go their seperate ways with the old regime.

PS I also noticed the Soviet Union theme with other instances in trek, such as the Cardassians and the Federation bidding for control over planets and territories in the Demilitarized zone (much like the cold war with NATO and the Communist countries battling for power over third world nations), and the Klingon Empire being much like the Romulan Empire, only less of the "suspicious secret plots" and more of the "warrior combat" types. Leonard Nemoy pointed out that much of the ideas behind TUC was the fall of the Soviet Union and the mistrust of the Russians when they needed help to keep the country from falling into chaos. Personally the Klingon Empire reminded me more of the Japaniese Empire during WW2.

 

[captcalhoun]

if you read the novels, the RSE alraedy fractured in two post-NEM. Donatra's gained control of most of the military and seceded from Romulus with the Romulan 'bread-basket' farming worlds and several other colonies, declaring herself Empress of the Imperial Romulan State.

assuming there's no reunification pre-Hobus, the IRS could wind up gaining control of the RSE worlds and the IRS would replace the defunt Empire.

 

[mtblillie]

That's if you go along with the books though.

I like the books and all, but I've never really found them to be accurate portrayels of the characters or history lines already estabolished, so I don't generally incorperate them in the canon universe (not saying that you shouldn't, just mu opinion.)

 

[SpyOne]

when did anyone ever devolve into a lizard? i don't remember that.

You're right. It wasn't a lizard, it was an amphibian. Two amphibians. Janeway and Paris went to Warp 10 without putting on their seatbelts, turned into salamanders and made little salamander babies together.

Even Branon Braga, the Executive Producer who wrote that episode, feels it was so scientificly flawed that it should be excluded from canon.
And there is canon evidence to support this exclusion: in a later episode where it is suggested that Voyager could modify Borg Transwarp technology, Torres says they don't know anything about Transwarp, despite the fact that Transwarp is how Paris and Janeway reached Stupendous Speed.
Clearly, the episode never happened.

 

[Rek]

I don't understand your edit point about "during Spock's lifetime". You do realize that Spock is alive during the TNG/DS9 timeframe, right?

I didn't know when Spock was born but after looking it up I guess it could make sense if Romulus was destroyed sometime when spock was 150+. But I have to agree, it was a damn stupid idea.

 

[The Laughing Vulcan]

when did anyone ever devolve into a lizard? i don't remember that.

You're right. It wasn't a lizard, it was an amphibian. Two amphibians. Janeway and Paris went to Warp 10 without putting on their seatbelts, turned into salamanders and made little salamander babies together.

Even Branon Braga, the Executive Producer who wrote that episode, feels it was so scientificly flawed that it should be excluded from canon.
And there is canon evidence to support this exclusion: in a later episode where it is suggested that Voyager could modify Borg Transwarp technology, Torres says they don't know anything about Transwarp, despite the fact that Transwarp is how Paris and Janeway reached Stupendous Speed.
Clearly, the episode never happened.

Then why do my eyes still bleed after all these years when I remember it?

 

[milo bloom]

It's kind of a shame we won't get a Prime-timeline tv series dealing with the political fallout of the destruction of the Romulan homeworld. I imagine it could make for some pretty neat stories, both within the Romulan people and with their dealings with the rest of the galaxy.