Spoilers The Reason why Q sent the Enterprise to this particular Borg Cube in "Q Who".

[Qonundrum]

Then at least Leland has good taste in music. I like her music better than Michael's.

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That's why I used two of her songs at opposite ends of the Golden Gormaganders.

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Makes more sense given the regurgitated hollow nature of small universe syndrome DSC...

 

[Lord Garth]

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Makes more sense given the regurgitated hollow nature of small universe syndrome DSC...

A. That's an awesome video too.

B. Enough with the crap. Let's get down to what this really is. You know, I know it, we ALL know it. It's the debate that's been raging on for TrekBBS for 20 years. Just change the name of the series. DS9 and VOY one day, ENT the next, Kelvin the next after that, and Disco today. Picard coming up tomorrow.

Are you ready for it? What the arguments about Star Trek really are at the end of the day? You asked for it. And here it is! The only game where talkin' trash can get you cash! 'cause that's what this all really is.

Complete with an appearance by Ed O'Neil at the end.

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TrekBBS in Living Color!!!

 

[Cyrus]

Knowledge of the Borg was kind of an inconsistent thing to begin with. Guinan mentions her world was destroyed by the Borg in "Q Who". She might've been tight-lipped but some other El-Aurian must've said something down the line. If Starfleet heard it from some source, they probably filed away the info if they didn't see an immediate threat to themselves.

Yes, we saw El-Aurians who were running away from Borg being rescued by Enterprise in the movie Generations. So for sure starfleet had heard of the Borg before "Q Who" but treated it as more of legend than an actual threat. That would also explain why Seven's parents knew about Borg long before "Q Who", heck they even showed a young Seven playing with a freaking toy Borg Cube.

And the Borg that Seven's parents ran into were, unlike the ones in "Q Who", assimilators.

 

[Crewman6]

1. If Control is the origin of the Borg, then DSC has hit a new low in storytelling.

Agreed!

2. What we saw in “Q-Who” was retconned later. While the Borg in that episode seemed to be one race of cybernetic humans who started the process at birth, later episodes ignored this in favor of the assimilation of other species idea, and that has pretty much been Trek’s modus operandi since concerning the Borg. I doubt DSC will go back to un-retconning “Q-Who.”

Both can be true. No reason the Borg can't birth/clone their own babies and ALSO assimilate other species.

(That said, the idea of assimilation wasn't really present in "Q, Who". In fact, Q even says that the enterprise crew are of no interest to the borg, only their technology. The concept of the Borg obviously evolved over time. However, if you want to be a stickler for canon, I still think that they're not incompatible ideas.)

 

[Unimatrix Q]

Something i wrote as an answer in my sister thread of this one on reddit which may also be interesting to discuss here:

"Maybe older Borg vessels were more autonomous with each of them having their own collective with no direct link to the central mainframe.

The contact with the Enterprise might have changed that and may have also be responsible for ordering the older cubes and vessels back to return to Unimatrix 1 for upgrading their technology to an unified standard. The last of the older cubes and vessels may have only arrived in the time between "Descent" and First Contact."

 

[ITDUDE]

Spoilers The Reason why Q sent the Enterprise to this particular Borg Cube in "Q Who".

I see you put the Spoiler tag in the title. Cute, I like it

 

[saladdays]

1. If Control is the origin of the Borg, then DSC has hit a new low in storytelling.

If you mean in general, and not just in Star Trek, then you must not watch very many shows.

 

[Dukhat]

If you mean in general, and not just in Star Trek, then you must not watch very many shows.

I watch reruns of That ‘70’s Show, mainly.

 

[Alan Roi]

I watch reruns of That ‘70’s Show, mainly.

That explains a lot.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

The Borg cube seen in "Q Who" and "Best Of Both Worlds" was one of the oldest still active Borg vessels.

The reasons for me believing this to be true:

1. The Borg drones seen on this ship seem to be of human origin.

2. The drones may be cloned, not assimilated, based on what we saw in and heard about the maturation chamber in "Q Who".

3. If Control is really the origin of the Borg it might be that the vessel may have acted independly from the other Borg vessels and may not be under the supervision of the Borg Queen at the time we first saw it and may have followed an older directive from Control about the aquisition of new technology. In the time between "Q Who" and "BOBW" its directives were upgraded to the newer assimilation approach because it informed the main collective that it had contact with an starfleet vessel and the Borg remembered the Federation and Starfleet and decided it was time to assimilate them.

4. It makes sense for Q to confront Picard and his crew with old mistakes made by humanity and the Federation. So i guess he might have used an older Borg cube with no transwarp capabilities and a crew of cloned human drones to do that. It might be that in most cases the Borg vessel which made the contact will get the first try to assimilate the target and Q of course might have known that as well as the fact that the Federation might have been a special case and that the Borg wouldn't send dozens or hundred of vessels to assimilate Earth for whatever reason.

Remember that time you thought the ba'ul were going to be the ferengi? How'd that work out for ya?

 

[DaveyNY]

Remember that time you thought the ba'ul were going to be the ferengi? How'd that work out for ya?

Heh...
I'm very glad at this moment that I keep all of my Guesstimations to a minimum.
You got too damn long a memory.

 

[Dukhat]

That explains a lot.

To you, maybe.

 

[guyute03]

The Borg cube seen in "Q Who" and "Best Of Both Worlds" was one of the oldest still active Borg vessels.

The reasons for me believing this to be true:

1. The Borg drones seen on this ship seem to be of human origin.

2. The drones may be cloned, not assimilated, based on what we saw in and heard about the maturation chamber in "Q Who".

3. If Control is really the origin of the Borg it might be that the vessel may have acted independly from the other Borg vessels and may not be under the supervision of the Borg Queen at the time we first saw it and may have followed an older directive from Control about the aquisition of new technology. In the time between "Q Who" and "BOBW" its directives were upgraded to the newer assimilation approach because it informed the main collective that it had contact with an starfleet vessel and the Borg remembered the Federation and Starfleet and decided it was time to assimilate them.

4. It makes sense for Q to confront Picard and his crew with old mistakes made by humanity and the Federation. So i guess he might have used an older Borg cube with no transwarp capabilities and a crew of cloned human drones to do that. It might be that in most cases the Borg vessel which made the contact will get the first try to assimilate the target and Q of course might have known that as well as the fact that the Federation might have been a special case and that the Borg wouldn't send dozens or hundred of vessels to assimilate Earth for whatever reason.

Whether I or anyone else like it or not.....

it's plausible.

 

[Unimatrix Q]

Remember that time you thought the ba'ul were going to be the ferengi? How'd that work out for ya?

I have no problems with being proven wrong.

Would be boring if every prediction would turn out to be true. You can't be always right.

 

[Ovation]

I have no problems with being proven wrong.

Would be boring if every prediction would turn out to be true. You can't be always right.

Well...maybe you can’t.


(Neither can I, of course, but don’t tell my students. )

 

[arch101]

Maybe Gary Seven's masters need to get involved in all this- Robert Lansing (Seven) DID play a guy named CONTROL on TV for a few years in the '80's. :-)

 

[Gonzo]

If I have to read another "Discovery Borg Origin Theory" online, I'm going to eviscerate myself. Slowly. With a plastic spoon.

That would be very slow indeed, faster to beat yourself to death with it.

 

[Gonzo]

Perhaps Control can be one of the factions in the Temporal Cold War and Daniels will make an appearance or two.

I am hoping that is what will be unveiled in the end, the Temporal Cold War was a solid storyline in Enterprise.

 

[MvRojo]

For how advanced the nanites were in this week's episode, there's no way it can logically be the proto-Borg

 

[USS Firefly]

I watch reruns of That ‘70’s Show, mainly.

A really funny show, except for season 8