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The reason for Nero's revenge

NCC-71901

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Now that it has been a while since Star Trek XI came out, my feelings toward it have mellowed. They did more than could be expected to pay homage to the original series, all things considered, and they did a better-than-average job of explaining the existence of the alternate universe (compared to other time travel stories like Terminator). I have become fond of the new NCC-1701 design, which is refreshing (though I hope by movie 2 they'll build a real engineering section with a matter-antimatter warp core instead of water pipes and turbines).

My biggest criticism still has to do with the plot: the implausibility and foolishness of cadets being given such great responsibility in the face of such a poorly-explained threat (lightning storm in space!?) and the impetus behind Nero's revenge are hugely significant and virtually ignored.

Although it will always feel contrived, I understand that they had to, in one movie, promote Kirk from a loser to captain of the Enterprise, while putting the rest of the original series crew in their rightful places. And Starfleet orders have a history of coming out of nowhere and making little sense. Star Trek is about how those orders are carried out, not the reasoning behind them.

Now, after studying the Star Trek Countdown comic book series, I have finally elucidated a somewhat subtle point: Nero blames the Romulan government, Vulcan government (and the Federation/Starfleet by extension), and, most especially, Spock for Romulus' destruction. Why would he blame them if Romulus was obviously destroyed by a natural disaster (the Hobus supernova)? Because they hesitated.

Spock was originally Nero's ally in spreading the warning about the impending disaster (which Nero discovered and Spock verified), but the Romulan senate didn't believe them until it was too late because they wouldn't trust Spock (for being a Vulcan) and the Vulcan government wouldn't turn over the red matter technology to Spock (because he was a Romulan ally).

Red matter, as you know from the movie, has the power to mop up spreading supernovae. It comes from decalithium (what Nero was mining) but has to be converted to red matter by Vulcan technology.

The crucial point that brought Nero's universe-splitting ire was Spock's decision to *ask* for the red matter technology instead of *stealing* it. Nero preferred that Spock use force, THEREFORE, he blames Spock for the destruction of Romulus because he hesitated.

Most unfortunately, they dumbed down this fascinating story of mistrust and blame between Romulans and Vulcans, one of Trek's most cherished themes, into a disembodied revenge plot. They made Nero look crazy and his actions baseless and confusing. They made Starfleet look like a bunch of idiots who shoot at anything that looks funny.

They could have taken one minute to hint that Nero blamed Spock for hesitating to use force to obtain red matter, and that this disaster could have been prevented if the Romulan and Vulcan governments had believed him and trusted each other. Instead, they used that time to show kid Kirk driving a Corvette and listening to Beastie Boys on his Nokia.
 
Everything you say is true...except not really. They didn't sacrifice the backstory to show meaningless shots, they showed short clips of what Kirk and Spock were like in THIS reality, and how they came to be at Starfleet Academy. Many things are different in this timeline, and the newbies deserved some backstory anyway.

I agree that ths Spock prime flashback sequence could have explained things much more clearly, but other decisions were made by the writers and director of this movie. They are professional filmakers, and I am not so I imagine they have reasons for the decisions they made , but I guarantee it was not for the reasons you seem to be assuming.

I can't wait for the next movie-and if y'all are reading, I would LOVE another comic sequence to lead into the next movie. I really enjoyed the countdown books, hope you guys do it again!
 
orci has described countdown as being not canon and was written after the movie was.
so the writers might not agree with all the decisions in the comic.

does nero come across as whacked out crazy on revenge in the movie.
yes, but it explores something that wasnt examined enough in trek and frankly to me at times over looked.

the romulans left vulcan because they rejected the teachings of surak.

what we are seeing with nero is how the ancient vulcans were before the coming of surak.

his passions are overiding reason.
 
Nero really came off as more of a force of nature than a character -- destructive but meaningless. I think it worked alright in this instance. I like that the characters and the audience really have no idea what caused all this, but have to deal with it anyway. Life can be like that, especially when a new generation is moving in and inheriting the problems of the old.

If anything, I would have scaled back the mindmeld sequence. It didn't make me feel anything more or less for Nero. It was just exposition.

Can't argue with you about handing the flagship over to a new graduate, though. I can go along with it, but it's not realistic by any means.
 
Chris's acting after the mind-meld sequence was probably the best of the movie, and he was excellent throughout the movie. So, no scaling back, please. ;)
 
This is a much 'simpler' trek movie than the norm:which I state was a good thing,because this movie needed to be understandable by people who literally haven't seen any trek before in their lives.Provding a backstory into The Sundering to illuminate Neros motivations for wasting the Federation would have taxed the minds of trek newcomers too much to be entertaining-and if JJ and Co. changed any details for entertainment value he pisses off the Trek faithful.
When youre walking a tightrope,it's best to keep things simple.
 
thanks for the tip, ncc-71901. i appreciate the backstory. shoulda read the comic, i guess, but didn't hear of it till after i saw the film. at any rate, i agree with you - nero comes off as a total crazy person, and seems completely idiotic for laying all his blame on spock. one is left to attribute this to extreme grief which led to madness.
altho', if it is true that the comic was in fact written after the film, why did they not just put in, i dunno, 30 seconds of extra exposition in the script somewhere? they're big hollywood writers, i bet they could have worked it in somewhere.
 
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