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The RAM crisis and the PC apocalypse

18 months ago a built a new PC:

CPU: AMD Ryzen 9 5900X 3.7 GHz 12-Core Processor (€209.00 @ Amazon Netherlands)
CPU Cooler: Noctua NH-D15 chromax.black 82.52 CFM CPU Cooler (€114.89 @ Amazon Netherlands)
Motherboard: GIGABYTE B550 Aorus Elite V2 AM4 Motherboard (€149.90 @ bol.com Netherlands)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (€66.90 @ Amazon Netherlands)
Memory: Corsair Vengeance LPX 32 GB (2 x 16 GB) DDR4-3200 CL16 Memory (€66.90 @ Amazon Netherlands)
Storage: Crucial P3 Plus 500 GB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (€48.40 @ Amazon Netherlands)
Storage: Kingston NV2 4 TB M.2-2280 PCIe 4.0 X4 NVME Solid State Drive (€219.90 @ Amazon Netherlands)
Video Card: INNO3D GeForce RTX 4070 TWIN X2 12 GB Video Card (€619.14 @ bol.com Netherlands)
Case: Fractal Design Meshify 2 Compact Lite ATX Mid Tower Case (€102.00 @ Amazon Netherlands)
Power Supply: Corsair RM750e (2023) 750 W 80+ Gold Certified Fully Modular ATX Power Supply (€119.90 @ Amazon Netherlands)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 11 Home Retail - USB 64-bit (€164.58 @ Amazon Netherlands)
Total: €1880-ish...

The storage and memory(even DDR4) would be so much more expensive now...

Edit:
Just checked the same memory, went from €130 for 4x16 to €770...
The 500GB SSD went from €50 to €75 and the 4TB one went from €220 to €440...
Damn...
 
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Yeah the situation is not nice, but there are emerging Chinese memory foundries who are slowly dishing out acceptable RAM which is not going to AI.
And yes, I know the politcal sensitivities but the establishred memory manufacturers seem to be shooting themselves in the foot, if the Chinese pull this off then in the future a lot of people are going to remember that they couldn't get Kingston but that Chinese brands were so next time they might be loyal and again use Chinese RAM in the next computer they'll build.
Also big OEM's like Dell, Lenovo, HP etc are also already using Chinese made RAM and they have a long memory (punny!) as well and might keep buying Chinese.

Gamers Nexus made a vid of this
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Santaman said:
Yeah the situation is not nice, but there are emerging Chinese memory foundries who are slowly dishing out acceptable RAM which is not going to AI.
And yes, I know the politcal sensitivities but the establishred memory manufacturers seem to be shooting themselves in the foot, if the Chinese pull this off then in the future a lot of people are going to remember that they couldn't get Kingston but that Chinese brands were so next time they might be loyal and again use Chinese RAM in the next computer they'll build.
Also big OEM's like Dell, Lenovo, HP etc are also already using Chinese made RAM and they have a long memory (punny!) as well and might keep buying Chinese.

Gamers Nexus made a vid of this
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I'm skeptical. Can China make ram chips that last a long time?
 
Even with stone age tech you can make RAM that lasts a very very VERY long time, reliability will be the least of your problems
As for fraud, if the Chinese want this market then they'll pretty much make sure that nothing iffy is going on but as always at the bottom of the barrel you always can find some slime and garbage you get what you pay for if something looks to good to be true then it usualy is.
 
I once, for a laugh, bought a "2 TB" flash drive from AliExpress for £2. It was of course, 2GB hacked to think it was 2TB.

So yeah, I'd definitely want to be sure before I dropped real money on RAM from a similar place.
 
F. King Daniel said:
I once, for a laugh, bought a "2 TB" flash drive from AliExpress for £2. It was of course, 2GB hacked to think it was 2TB.

So yeah, I'd definitely want to be sure before I dropped real money on RAM from a similar place.
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Given the money required to build a fab I doubt we'd see the same sort of shit from a chinese ram manufacturer.

They're not thinking sales on temu or ali express (and common sense would save a lot of people there but it doesn't grow in everyone's garden) - they're thinking massive world wide sales from from the average consumer through to Dell. HP and Lenovo.
 
Candleicious Ghost said:
Yet the other side of this is in the past and present, me included we willingly sign up for social media accounts and hand over a lot of private information that we otherwise wouldn't. I was on Fakebook for years, and years, and it was in the beginning very helpful to connect to people for my photography hobbies and shoots, and model building stuff but as time went on it became less and less engaging and things being pushed on my page I didn't want to see, that kind of thing.

I also had instagram for the same reasons and it was for the same reasons. It was helpful at the start in the first few months / years but as time went on it was less and less helpful.

I no longer have either of those and feel happier
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you know, a couple of years ago I was in Salzburg on vacation. the GF and I were in a restaurant having dinner and a group of 12 teens came in (ages 15 - 17 I would guess)...they were seated a few feet from us and the first thing they did when seated was to PUT THEIR PHONES AWAY...and then talk QUIETLY amongst themselves...walking around the city the next day I noticed all the kids actually living in the real world, not the cyber world, taking in the sites, talking to each other...I was in awe....
last month I was out with my GF at a semi-nice restaurant, and there was a table next to us with Mom/Dad and two kids (probably 11 - 12 yrs)..both kids were scrolling on their phones, in between bites...literally....
 
SatrianiRules said:
you know, a couple of years ago I was in Salzburg on vacation. the GF and I were in a restaurant having dinner and a group of 12 teens came in (ages 15 - 17 I would guess)...they were seated a few feet from us and the first thing they did when seated was to PUT THEIR PHONES AWAY...and then talk QUIETLY amongst themselves...walking around the city the next day I noticed all the kids actually living in the real world, not the cyber world, taking in the sites, talking to each other...I was in awe....
last month I was out with my GF at a semi-nice restaurant, and there was a table next to us with Mom/Dad and two kids (probably 11 - 12 yrs)..both kids were scrolling on their phones, in between bites...literally....
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I wonder if young people in that part of the world tend to be a lot more social then us people in the USA and elsewhere. I think it all comes to upbringing and surroundings. I would love it if more kids and young people were like that over here.
 
Candleicious Ghost said:
I wonder if young people in that part of the world tend to be a lot more social then us people in the USA and elsewhere. I think it all comes to upbringing and surroundings. I would love it if more kids and young people were like that over here.
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I'm still like that for the most part. I try to limit the amount of time I spend on my phone. I'm not attached to it like a lot of people.
 
Owain Taggart said:
I'm still like that for the most part. I try to limit the amount of time I spend on my phone. I'm not attached to it like a lot of people.
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Like today for example getting off the train in the city and hardly anyone could walk without glancing down at their bloody phones. It's a wonder nobody falls over anyone else the amount of attention spent looking at screens.
 
Candleicious Ghost said:
Like today for example getting off the train in the city and hardly anyone could walk without glancing down at their bloody phones. It's a wonder nobody falls over anyone else the amount of attention spent looking at screens.
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Yeah, and on top of that, they likely have earphones in place and not hearing the ambient sounds of their surroundings.
 
Candleicious Ghost said:
Yes but as far as storage and working offline they are pretty limited aren't they?
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I use a 2TB external USB drive with mine. I use my phone or CB for all my internettin' now. The only windows device I have is a 23 yr old Thinkpad with 4GB of RAM, the W7 on it only uses 3 of them. It's strictly a media center and gaming device now with Wifi switched off.

Windows told me my 8GB W10 device wasn't compatible with W11. I agreed and never replaced it.
 
www.techpowerup.com

Major PC OEMs Reportedly Exploring Chinese CXMT Memory Amid Shortages

According to Nikkei Asia, some of the biggest PC makers like ASUS, Acer, Dell, and HP are exploring alternative memory suppliers amid industry-wide memory shortages, which are forcing PC OEMs to seek supply even from Chinese memory maker CXMT. Late last year, CXMT unveiled its homegrown...
www.techpowerup.com www.techpowerup.com
Seems that Chinese manufacturers will have a splendid year ahead..
 
Santaman said:
www.techpowerup.com

Major PC OEMs Reportedly Exploring Chinese CXMT Memory Amid Shortages

According to Nikkei Asia, some of the biggest PC makers like ASUS, Acer, Dell, and HP are exploring alternative memory suppliers amid industry-wide memory shortages, which are forcing PC OEMs to seek supply even from Chinese memory maker CXMT. Late last year, CXMT unveiled its homegrown...
www.techpowerup.com www.techpowerup.com
Seems that Chinese manufacturers will have a splendid year ahead..
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Well take this video for what it is. I'm not sure what to believe


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