The Phantom Menace 3D Release
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Durge didn't have Force abilities, as far as I know.
It's been seven years since the first Cartoon Network series concluded so I could be mistaking Durge for another Force-sensitive character of the Clone Wars era. Even if he didn't possess Force powers he was quite a fun villain.
Yeah, he was nearly indestructible, that was his thing. Though the concept of him always made me cringe a little bit, because if Dooku had a Gen'Dai at his disposal it makes me wonder why he would trifle with a mercenary with a pop gun as a bodyguard.
However, his battle with Obi-Wan in Tartakovsky's Clone Wars was EPIC.
However, his battle with Obi-Wan in Tartakovsky's Clone Wars was EPIC.
Things about both Clone Wars series are really dodgy and don't make a lot of sense when you take a closer look at them. But yeah, Durge was a badass. His concept doesn't bear close scrutiny...but neither do many STAR WARS characters' backgrounds if you pay really close attention.
OK, I just saw it today. A little late - I know, I know, but still I did see it.
Aaaaaand I enjoyed it! Best 3D conversion I've seen. As discussed, the sheer amount of CGI to begin with evidently helped the conversion process immensely. There are still some rough edges to the conversion process, though. For example, hair is still problematic; leaves, ouch; grass, when it wasn't good, it was bad; out of focus background, yikes. Additionally, I perceived some artifacts when depth perception went momentarily haywire, for example occasionally at the boundaries between real and CGI elements; sometimes I was unsatisfied with the modeling of head shapes; sometimes I could see that the number of planes, e.g. on a character's face, was very few and finite; 24 fps was showing its limitations. And so forth, all well understood problems for the most part. Still, a very fine effort. Well worth it to see.
Oh, one other nitpick. I was surprised to find myself less than satisfied with most of the lightsaber effects. I suspect that the reason may have to do with the blades having a very well defined and especially clearly discernible surface, which is fine in 2D, but may be the wrong trope to use for 3D.
Because of all the 3D I found myself noticing things in the background that I never really paid attention to before. 3D definitely enhanced the realism. Star Wars belongs in 3D, and no doubt 48 fps.
Anyhoo, definite thumbs up.
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One question that has always bothered me, that I've been too lazy to dig through the interwebtubez to find the answer for: How is it that Darth Sidious gets a trace on the Queen's cruiser to Tatooine, when Obi-Wan says to send no reply? Was there a traitor aboard?
May the Force be with you!
Aaaaaand I enjoyed it! Best 3D conversion I've seen. As discussed, the sheer amount of CGI to begin with evidently helped the conversion process immensely. There are still some rough edges to the conversion process, though. For example, hair is still problematic; leaves, ouch; grass, when it wasn't good, it was bad; out of focus background, yikes. Additionally, I perceived some artifacts when depth perception went momentarily haywire, for example occasionally at the boundaries between real and CGI elements; sometimes I was unsatisfied with the modeling of head shapes; sometimes I could see that the number of planes, e.g. on a character's face, was very few and finite; 24 fps was showing its limitations. And so forth, all well understood problems for the most part. Still, a very fine effort. Well worth it to see.
Oh, one other nitpick. I was surprised to find myself less than satisfied with most of the lightsaber effects. I suspect that the reason may have to do with the blades having a very well defined and especially clearly discernible surface, which is fine in 2D, but may be the wrong trope to use for 3D.
Because of all the 3D I found myself noticing things in the background that I never really paid attention to before. 3D definitely enhanced the realism. Star Wars belongs in 3D, and no doubt 48 fps.
Anyhoo, definite thumbs up.
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One question that has always bothered me, that I've been too lazy to dig through the interwebtubez to find the answer for: How is it that Darth Sidious gets a trace on the Queen's cruiser to Tatooine, when Obi-Wan says to send no reply? Was there a traitor aboard?
May the Force be with you!
I always assumed that Maul tracked down the location where the false message of Governor Sio Bibble("You must contact me!") was received. Maybe Sith technology was so advanced that the recipient didn't have to send a reply in order to trace the location? That, or someone aboard the ship momentarily and stupidly opened up the SW equivalent of subspace hailing frequencies and Maul's equipment noticed the "blip."
It looks like both factors may have been involved.
First, when Maul's image appears before the Neimoidians, Sidious says "Not for a Sith." This seems to imply that Force ability played some role, though it could just be Sidious trying to impress the TF. When Maul and Sidious are speaking on Coruscant, Maul says "if the trace was correct", indicating they have a successful connection trace, even though no one responded ( which, incidentally, is exactly what the Darth Plagueis book had to say about the situation ).
First, when Maul's image appears before the Neimoidians, Sidious says "Not for a Sith." This seems to imply that Force ability played some role, though it could just be Sidious trying to impress the TF. When Maul and Sidious are speaking on Coruscant, Maul says "if the trace was correct", indicating they have a successful connection trace, even though no one responded ( which, incidentally, is exactly what the Darth Plagueis book had to say about the situation ).
Ugh. lol.
Wasn't Durge the armored feller who hated Mandalorians but wore a big Mandalorian symbol on his chest?
That's like Indiana Jones wearing a swastika t-shirt.
Maxi-big da Force.
Maybe the film should just have come out and said that Maul tracked down the Queen using the Dark Side of the Force. But oh well. Whether the Force or a signal connection trace or a combination of both he found them. The important thing was he was too late to do anything about it.
Perhaps Maul just used the same logic as Obi-Wan? He already knew they were headed for Coruscant (Qui-Gon told that droid in the hangar bay), the droid control ships' scanners probably detected that the Queen's ship's hyperdrive was leaking and in need of urgent repairs... If Tatooine was the logical choice for Kenobi, then...
Perhaps Maul just used the same logic as Obi-Wan? He already knew they were headed for Coruscant (Qui-Gon told that droid in the hangar bay), the droid control ships' scanners probably detected that the Queen's ship's hyperdrive was leaking and in need of urgent repairs... If Tatooine was the logical choice for Kenobi, then...
Possibly. Sounds rational. I suppose they could have done a search for nearby, inhabitable planets where the ship could have gone for help. Tatooine could have popped up in the Trade Federation databanks as well. Who knows. When we see Darth Maul for the first time in the holographic transmission the Neimoidians didn't have a clue where the Queen had fled to, so we know that as late as that moment in the film they didn't know where the Royal starship was.
Maybe we're all overthinking this. Damn. Lucas logic can make a fellow's skull throb.
LOL, true. Qui-Gon destroyed that droid in the hangar ("That doesn't compute, you're under arrest"), but I always assumed that all the information these droids acquire gets relayed to the orbital control ship. Perhaps it did, just no one ever bothered to tell Gunray.
Maybe it was a combination of all the elements we mentioned. Qui-Gon's comments in the hangar, sensor readings of the Queen's ship and the general direction it was heading, Darth Maul using the Force...all we know for sure is that he found them.
He just waited like an idiot until the last second to try to stop them. I guess some Sith Lords are bad procrastinators.
He just waited like an idiot until the last second to try to stop them. I guess some Sith Lords are bad procrastinators.
Maul arrived at Tatooine at the dawn before the Boonta eve race and sent out the probe droids into the largest settlement (Mos Espa). Could be that his ship's scanners couldn't locate Queen's ship from orbit because it was powered down (no energy signature). He should have assumed that they've landed somewhere within the walking distance of the settlement, though. It shouldn't have taken him very long to scout the area of less than a hundred square miles.He just waited like an idiot until the last second to try to stop them. I guess some Sith Lords are bad procrastinators.
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