We'll just agree to disagree on that.
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We'll just agree to disagree on that.
Can't argue all that much with that assessment. SITH is my third-favorite STAR WARS film. Episode I ranks fifth and CLONES is dead last. Even the vast majority of film critics said Episode III was the best movie of the prequel trilogy and the only one that could really rival the originals in key elements.
Anakin deserved everything that happened to him after turning on his Jedi friends, killing children and Force choking his pregnant wife.
The only reason I can tolerate the Anakin and Padme romance is because I know he will he eventually gets his arm and legs cut off and gets set on fire. If they had lived happily ever after following all that bad romance in AOTC, I would have puked.
My list would go:
The Empire Strikes Back
A New Hope
Revenge of the Sith
Then there are the other three which are pretty much interchangeable at the bottom.
Anakin reaped what he had sown. Being such a gullible, angry bastard and asshole led him down that path and when Obi-Wan all but dismembered him and left him to burn on that lava slope it was what he had earned. It was his own fault. He voluntarily turned to the Dark Side and became a Sith Lord, turning his back on every good and decent thing he had ever known and cared about. And after his ruthless massacres of the Jedi Temple and the Separatist leadership he was too dangerous to be left roaming the galaxy.
To be fair, the Jedi were using him every bit as much as Palpatine/Darth Sidious...
I thought it was a very fitting thing for Yoda to say, since you can revisit anybody in your past or future you're really not to miss them. Plus he's close to 1000 years old, I'm sure he's seen alot of death and killed plenty of people as well, so he has a different viewpoint on death than we would.
Anakin is pivotal to the prophecy, not the Great Plan of the Sith ( the Banites in general or Palpatine in particular ). The Sith plan would be pretty crappy if it had somehow depended on Anakin all along. In a hypothetical Anakin-free universe Order 66 still happens.
Since it was programmed into the clones' genetics from the beginning that means that as early as the aftermath of the Battle of Naboo and his election as Chancellor, Sidious knew he'd be using the clone troops to wipe out the Jedi. It didn't really matter whether or not Anakin was still alive at that future date. He didn't necessarily need Anakin. He could just as easily have used Dooku/Tyranus to wipe out the Jedi in the Temple and the Separatist leadership if needed. But since Dooku had outlived his usefulness to the Order and Anakin was still alive and growing ever stronger with the Force Palpatine decided to use him instead and make him his new apprentice.
To a point that's a good thing. Retconning can get waaay out of control in the sci-fi and fantasy worlds. I think we all know that too well.
it's stupid either way. The prophecy is for him to help a brutal dictator oppress much of that galaxy and assist in the slaughter of millions, and then, in the last fifteen minutes of his life, toss a guy who's not even paying attention to him down a pit in order to save his own son?
I liked it better when Anakin was really seduced by the Dark Side, not tricked by Palpatine. Then, the ROTJ confrontation had meaning, as Anakin was "freeing" himself from the Dark Side.
Now it just comes across as the guy finally realizes he was duped, so he tosses the old guy in to save his own son.
hardly heroic.
I think Vader's allegiance to Palpatine began to deteriorate from the moment he discovered the identity of the Rebel who destroyed the first Death Star and he realized the Emperor had been lying to him about Padme's death for twenty years. That gives added weight to his offer to Luke to overthrow the Emperor in EMPIRE. He knew he couldn't trust Palpatine anymore, but realized he couldn't defeat his Master without Luke at his side and the two of them working together. I think for the last four years of his life Vader knew the Emperor was a lying sack of shit but was beholden to follow his orders lest he himself be destroyed and replaced by a new apprentice...which Palpatine tried to do when he tried to goad Luke into killing his father aboard the second Death Star. That---along with Palpy's brutal attack on Luke---was the last straw for Vader. The remaining good inside Anakin realized that he couldn't allow this wicked, horrible man to murder his son. So he acted. And in so doing fulfilled the Prophecy.
Anakin sacificed himself to save his son's life, that's pretty heroic to me. And I think Anakin had known the truth about Palpatine for some time.
The prophecy says nothing about that.
sonak said:
Moving the goalposts. The question of whether Anakin was pivotal somehow went off course to "stupid" and "hardly heroic". Anakin was pivotal because without Anakin Palpatine is not stopped.
cooleddie74 said:
Or the Emperor actually thought it had gone down that way, along with most of the rest of the galaxy.
no I "get it," I was being sarcastic because the prophecy is stupid. Who cares that he eventually killed the guy twenty years later after all the damage he'd caused?
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