Agree on the Trek invisible correlations and the Isaac with the guns inside his head.
I think they were only activated after he went back to his home world.
THE ORVILLE S2, E9: "IDENTITY, PART II"
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Agree on the Trek invisible correlations and the Isaac with the guns inside his head.
I think they were only activated after he went back to his home world.
I got to thinking yesterday: Is Isaac going to be Ed's Khan? Was taking him back an act of mercy that will bite Ed in the ass someday?
Or is Isaac Odo, and will he spend the rest of his time among organics trying to get his people to see reason?
It's too bad The Orville doesn't have its own forum, because by now there'd be three or four threads for the sole purpose of evaluating Ed's decisions and command style. Personally, I love him. You're right, he is put upon, so much so that command didn't want him for the job, but he is just the perfect regular guy trying to run a strange crew through extraordinary circumstances while dealing with the constant reminder of his personal heartfelt loss. Seth MacFarlane has created a brilliant character in Ed Mercer and, aside from Kelly, he's the main reason I tune in every week.
So I walk alone. Nothing new.
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I love him too, and I didn't even know Seth before last year. Somehow I have managed to never run into him before. So Ed was my first introduction.
It can't be easy for a captain to lose his ship like that. I really wanted to give him more than one hug during those past two episodes.
Can we not have those kind of threads in here? Just start one! The moderators said back then if there was enough content we might get a forum, but with just 12 episodes there wasn't much last year. It might need to be re-evaluated.
But please, call him MacFarlane with e
We the fans should do it right.PS: I love Ty too. I think he's cute
I stand corrected. I always switch Mc and Mac and I'm never sure if it's -land or -lane, and I mostly associate -lane with Todd.I love him too, and I didn't even know Seth before last year. Somehow I have managed to never run into him before. So Ed was my first introduction.
It can't be easy for a captain to lose his ship like that. I really wanted to give him more than one hug during those past two episodes.
Can we not have those kind of threads in here? Just start one! The moderators said back then if there was enough content we might get a forum, but with just 12 episodes there wasn't much last year. It might need to be re-evaluated.
But please, call him MacFarlane with e
PS: I love Ty too. I think he's cute
Maybe I'll start an Ed Mercer appreciation thread. We'll see...
Yeah, I know I'm outnumbered on the Ty thing. It's just my natural reaction to "cute" kids doing things that might get them or their parents killed. He did also fully redeem himself as the episode went on. I'm not denying that. It was just my natural reaction to that one moment.
So the guy that was tossed out the air lock was pretty realisticly done.
I actually wish that they kept Isaac bad. That they managed to overcome the threat without him, and that he stayed with his people. It kind of would have been like Ward in Agents of Shield, where he could recur every now and then.
But admittedly, the idea of bringing Isaac on board again is interesting.
I find it a bit unrealistic though. I could see Union people wanting to dissect the Kaylon and learn about them and how to devise weapons to defeat them, and that includes Isaac.
But this two part episode was epic--very movie like. To me, the biggest surprise is that Brannon Braga has not hurt this show. The man still doesn't have an original thought, but his episodes are not of lower quality than the other writers'.
Speaks volumes for MacFarlane's vision.
Years ago, there was a rumor that MacFarlane wanted to run Star Trek. I scoffed at the idea because he never did anything in sci fi. My thinking was let him prove it. Let him create something in Sci-Fi that works.
Well, he's done that now, and now, I don't find the idea of him being in charge of Star Trek so laughable, and actually believe he can do it.
But admittedly, the idea of bringing Isaac on board again is interesting.
I find it a bit unrealistic though. I could see Union people wanting to dissect the Kaylon and learn about them and how to devise weapons to defeat them, and that includes Isaac.
But this two part episode was epic--very movie like. To me, the biggest surprise is that Brannon Braga has not hurt this show. The man still doesn't have an original thought, but his episodes are not of lower quality than the other writers'.
Speaks volumes for MacFarlane's vision.
Years ago, there was a rumor that MacFarlane wanted to run Star Trek. I scoffed at the idea because he never did anything in sci fi. My thinking was let him prove it. Let him create something in Sci-Fi that works.
Well, he's done that now, and now, I don't find the idea of him being in charge of Star Trek so laughable, and actually believe he can do it.
Just finished watching part two. This is the first time I've actually been looking forward to seeing an Orville episode. I was hoping it would've started with "Last time on The Orville..." but oh well. Overall this was a pretty epic episode, lots of action, tension, suspense. It had some swerves as well.
The only downsides-and they aren't deal breakers-is that I felt MacFarlane was a little stiff in the beginning, but seemed to have loosened up in the scenes during the battle over Earth. I also thought it was too neat how they wrapped up the Isaac thing. At least they mentioned in dialogue that the Union Council was considering turning him off, but I think he should've been put on trial. Or that they had a "Measure of a Man" kind of episode in the aftermath of this foiled invasion. The idea that Isaac can just continue serving on the Orville after his role in the invasion, even if he had a change of heart, and also if maybe he was rebooted and doesn't fully remember, or remember any, of his previous actions, would not go over so well with the Union admirals, many in the Fleet, or even some aboard the Orville. Hopefully future storylines will not let this drop. I think the forgiveness that was beginning with Claire at the end, even though not fully given by her, but hinted at, was too soon.
Also I had some other quibbles with how Isaac and the Kaylon were handled. First, I think there was an issue with the writing because after the Primary ordered Isaac to change his name, the next time another Kaylon addressed him, he still called him Isaac. I wish they had come up with a new name for him. I did like how they slipped in that Isaac was created after the mass genocide of the original Kaylon, which doesn't make him complicit in that, though I wish they had tied in his blue eye color to being part of the Kaylon who were created afterward. I wish we had gotten an explanation for the differing eye colors.
I'm not a regular watcher of Orville, but don't they have some kind of holographic technology where they can fake the appearance of the crew? I felt it was a bit too convenient that they needed the entire senior crew alive. They needed only a handful of the bridge officers at best if they weren't able to use holograms to mimic them.
But overall, a very good two-parter. I felt all along that Isaac was a Data stand-in, and it was cool seeing he has some Odo in the mix as well. And the Kaylon were like the Borg, Founders, and Cybermen, very cool. And the battle over Earth reminded me of some of the big brawls on DS9 and also Babylon Five's "Call to Arms". MacFarlane is potentially pulling from some good material.
The only downsides-and they aren't deal breakers-is that I felt MacFarlane was a little stiff in the beginning, but seemed to have loosened up in the scenes during the battle over Earth. I also thought it was too neat how they wrapped up the Isaac thing. At least they mentioned in dialogue that the Union Council was considering turning him off, but I think he should've been put on trial. Or that they had a "Measure of a Man" kind of episode in the aftermath of this foiled invasion. The idea that Isaac can just continue serving on the Orville after his role in the invasion, even if he had a change of heart, and also if maybe he was rebooted and doesn't fully remember, or remember any, of his previous actions, would not go over so well with the Union admirals, many in the Fleet, or even some aboard the Orville. Hopefully future storylines will not let this drop. I think the forgiveness that was beginning with Claire at the end, even though not fully given by her, but hinted at, was too soon.
Also I had some other quibbles with how Isaac and the Kaylon were handled. First, I think there was an issue with the writing because after the Primary ordered Isaac to change his name, the next time another Kaylon addressed him, he still called him Isaac. I wish they had come up with a new name for him. I did like how they slipped in that Isaac was created after the mass genocide of the original Kaylon, which doesn't make him complicit in that, though I wish they had tied in his blue eye color to being part of the Kaylon who were created afterward. I wish we had gotten an explanation for the differing eye colors.
I'm not a regular watcher of Orville, but don't they have some kind of holographic technology where they can fake the appearance of the crew? I felt it was a bit too convenient that they needed the entire senior crew alive. They needed only a handful of the bridge officers at best if they weren't able to use holograms to mimic them.
But overall, a very good two-parter. I felt all along that Isaac was a Data stand-in, and it was cool seeing he has some Odo in the mix as well. And the Kaylon were like the Borg, Founders, and Cybermen, very cool. And the battle over Earth reminded me of some of the big brawls on DS9 and also Babylon Five's "Call to Arms". MacFarlane is potentially pulling from some good material.
There is more character work that gets you to like these characters in one episode than in a certain other show that this is supposedly a parody of. You even get to like a green booger character for being awesome after being a back ground comedic character for most of the first 2 seasons.
I liked it a lot. Thrilling battle, brilliant visuals. high stakes. Isaac having a change of heart was always the endgame, but I didn't think that they could keep him onbard. I would have argued for dissection. Then Ed mentioned the Kaylon's initial argument. This is an ideological war, and you can't through force of arms alone. I get why Ed wanted to keep him, but he simply can't serve after all those crewmen got killed.
Oh, did you used to work on Star Trek?
Keeping Isaac aboard isn’t any more unrealistic than letting Teal’c join SG1 just because he declined his first betrayal opportunity.
I think you're wrong, but even if not, their body armor is different. And Isaac has a "belt buckle" thing while the other Kaylon have a little button higher up integrated into their chest pad (more where a belly button would be).
From a picture of a whole bunch of actors in Kaylon-suits, that was posted last week in one of the threads here, i got the impression that most of the Kaylons were similar to Isaac in design. So, if we are to attribute this difference in design to Kaylons build by their original creators and Kaylons build by other Kaylons (and i can see this information from this week's episode being the reason for the two designs), then most Kaylons would be build "after".
Regarding the question how Isaac was identified, he was the only Kaylon body on the bridge that was not blasted.
Yes, I think it is. I think the american term "sitcom" matches somewhat?
Like, even if the emotions and stories are meant to be taken at face-value, it's certainly a very hightened reality in it's specific presentation.
Like a sci-fi version in the same way "M.A.S.H." and "Hogan's Heroes" were about war. And here is the thing: MASH was sometimes a far more honest an accurate portrayal of war as many self-acclaimed "serious" war movies. And in a similar way, Orville has some incredible SF to offer.
But all of these are undeniable in the format of a "sitcom", wheras, say, "Discovery" aims for a "real" portrayal. Even if it's plots are equally unrealistic, it tries to make you feel what you watch actually "is" reality, wheras MASH, Hogan and Orville are far more aware of being fiction in their presentation.
Makes sense. I wish Data had been named Isaac, especially with his positronic brain.
Solid episode all around. The only really weakness isn't actually this episode's fault, but rather that of whoever released the plot info for next week's episode about a Krill peace treaty. With that information already public, it became very easy to figure out how this would be resolved. And with the previous three episodes having their plots kept a secret before airing, they chose an odd time to begin making the plots public again.
And while I get they want to keep the main cast together meaning no one there gets killed and Isaac is presumably going to continue as Orville's science officer, couldn't they at least give the events some weight with maybe the death of a recurring character, like Yaphit or Admiral Halsey?
And while I get they want to keep the main cast together meaning no one there gets killed and Isaac is presumably going to continue as Orville's science officer, couldn't they at least give the events some weight with maybe the death of a recurring character, like Yaphit or Admiral Halsey?
Damn straight it's exaggerated. If MacFarlane had the kind of pull with Fox everyone seems to think he has, Family Guy would have ended it when he wanted it to a few years ago and American Dad would still be on Fox. The Cleveland Show probably wouldn't have been axed when it was either.
Of course! Thank you! Sometimes you don't see the wood for the trees.
Okay, additional question. So are we to believe that Isaac really only got his change of heart when Ty pleaded with him? As it was pointed out, he already tried to save the Ensign. At the time I was thinking it was to show that he was undercover the whole time, playing along, just waiting for his time. But he only acted once he learned that they were or might have been able to get a message out? When he saw that there was a proper chance?
A highly enjoyable show. Sure the resoltion was not a surprise but liked the journey. Hopefully not a full.reset and some lingering issues.get addressed
Maybe a crewman on the ship mistrusts Isaac
Maybe a crewman on the ship mistrusts Isaac
He's got blue on him the rest have red. Even when turned off he has blue identifiers on his belt area and arms etc.
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