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THE ORVILLE S2, E9: "IDENTITY, PART II"

I think you're wrong, but even if not, their body armor is different. And Isaac has a "belt buckle" thing while the other Kaylon have a little button higher up integrated into their chest pad (more where a belly button would be).
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Isaac is a later model, but is he the only one built after the genocide?
 
Yeah, Kai Wener is a talent who can carry a great deal of the emotional weight of a story. So can Maxwell Jenkins , the kid who plays Will Robinson on the new Lost In Space.

It's kind of remarkable that Trek always struggled to write and cast kids worth a damn, which is pretty basic to doing TV. Maybe a lot of it is the dreadfully stilted dialogue they're expected to repeat and make credible.
 
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Now that was an impressive 2-parter!
I was afraid they'd hit a reset button at the end and make it some sort of simulation, and I'm so happy they didn't.
Incredible VFX, and almost everyone got a little moment to shine; I'm glad to see Yaphet be more than comic relief.
Even my wife, who doesn't usually watch the show was impressed.
 
Someone pointed out that MacFarlane knows better than to try to get away with a reset button:

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When I was six, I thought newspapers – particularly, the one with the schedules – had the photos of the TV shows by photographing the TV. I tried to photograph my TV, didn't work. Now camera recordings of people's TVs look way better than what my TV ever did. At this rate, soon the TVs would be putting our dead bodies in underground caverns scattered across the planet.
 
As far as second-parts of 2-part episodes go, that one stuck the landing pretty good. Lots to like in that one, some surprises, some non-surprises as well. Interesting to see the development with the Krill (and I wonder if next week will focus on the enemy they have and getting Union help.)

I thought the battle scenes were a little too cluttered and messy and there's not enough variety in the look of the Union (or Krill... or Kaylon) ships to really make much out but the battle was largely "secondary" to the narrative that was happening.

I also thought Yaphit had sacrificed himself.

And, hey, no "Reset Button!" (Beyond, thin excuses to allow Isaac to stay on the Orville.)

One question: Why are the [Jefferies Tubes] there if the entry points to them are too small for anyone to fit?

I guess they "could" be the climate/ventilation system, but some behind-the-scenes info on the show suggested the "atmosphere" in the ship was actually generated by oxygen-generating organisms built into walls and bulkheads and not by any central generation and dispersal system and the sides of the shaft looked to "complicated" and covered with greebles to just be the system of vents for any atmospheric or climate control distribution. So they must be work spaces... But with tiny slotted access doors?

In the end, though, very good episode. Look forward to where it goes from here.


Just the openings to the ventilation/ Jefferies tubes/ whatever's are small wher the characters where located and needed to go. :whistle:

Other ventilation openings are larger :D
 
This was a fantastic two-parter!
Like with the first part, it made use of many well-known tropes. The twists weren't actually "surprises" or completely unexpected turns, but it was always a question of "are they really going there?". And yes - the answer was - they went there. Damn.
The amazing stuff was how character-driven everything was. The relationship to the Krill feels already incredibly nuanced and complex. Yes, they are still the same religious zealots. But the world has changed - ignoring them as villains isn't an option anymore. But they're not suddenly "best-friends-in-battle" either. It will be interesting how everyone deals with Isaac from now on. And the Kaylons remain, too! That will be interesting.
Overall, for a "comedy-show", the SF-plot has become incredibly sophisticated.

Also: I like the "pee-corner". Like, with your entire crew trapped in the shuttle-bay? That's what realistically is going to happen.
 
Oooh, a blog with no citations from a random nobody trained as a zoologist.

https://www.researchgate.net/publication/269759089_Boil-Freeze-Pop_Thermodynamics

Boil–freeze–pop thermodynamics

R. S. MULLISEN, Mechanical Engineering Department, California Polytechnic State University, San Luis Obispo, California, USA. 〈rmullisen@calpoly.edu〉

Received 13th April 2000

A NASA astronaut’s observation of a pan of water placed in a vacuum chamber used for simulated space conditions provided information for this analysis. As the vacuum chamber was depressurized the water was observed to boil violently, then flash freeze, and then ice popped out of the pan. A thermodynamic analysis of the observed behaviour includes phase change cooling, an explanation of the boil–freeze–pop performance and a process path plot on the pressure–volume–temperature diagram that passes through the triple point of water.​

This contradicts what your zoologist says. He says the only way to transfer heat in a vacuum is by infrared radiation, but that is false. Liquid water boils in a vacuum, and the escaping vapor carries away energy.

Does this mean that an unprotected astronaut will flash freeze like the pan of water? No. An astronaut is not pure water. He is about 60% water by mass though, and parts of his body normally bring water into contact with the air, such as the mouth and lungs. Once enough vapor has escaped from these orifices, the only thing that will stop freezing from occurring there is to draw heat from deeper in the body, but there is only so much that can be drawn. Unless the water inside his body is frozen, especially the water around the orifices, nothing will prevent it from boiling out. That process of boiling can continue only so long before the water has no energy to do anything except freeze.
 
Overall, for a "comedy-show", the SF-plot has become incredibly sophisticated.
Was it ever a "comedy-show"?
When I first heard about it and after I watched the first trailer, I thought it would be some silly Star Trek satire with rather questionable humor. But I do not think there was any comedy episode.
 
Well, I'm completely sold on The Orville at this point. I, like many, thought it would be Family Guy in Space and didn't give it a chance until the first season was mostly completed and kept hearing good things about it.

Now I'm hooked. This 'parody' feels like the real Star Trek while the current 'real' Star Trek feels like the parody. What a world...
 
Most of this season, The Orville has pulled a .7/3 rating and share for adults 18-49.* Last week, for the first time in a while, the overnights adjusted up to .8/4.

This week, the show comes in at .8/4 in the overnights. It's a modest tick upward.

The Orville gets just about exactly average ratings for a Fox show, and it's an expensive series. It does very well in DVR ratings.

Still, the thing that most certainly gets a show cancelled on broadcast is continually falling numbers from week to week. This show is very steady.

I don't like attempting this kind of ratings analysis on shows that don't show a clear trend up or down, because it's pointless - you don't know until you know. If a show's clearly a hit or clearly in big trouble that's obviously easier to read.
 
Most of this season, The Orville has pulled a .7/3 rating and share for adults 18-49.* Last week, for the first time in a while, the overnights adjusted up to .8/4.

This week, the show comes in at .8/4 in the overnights. It's a modest tick upward.

The Orville gets just about exactly average ratings for a Fox show, and it's an expensive series. It does very well in DVR ratings.

Still, the thing that most certainly gets a show cancelled on broadcast is continually falling numbers from week to week. This show is very steady.

I don't like attempting this kind of ratings analysis on shows that don't show a clear trend up or down, because it's pointless - you don't know until you know. If a show's clearly a hit or clearly in big trouble that's obviously easier to read.

It's on the bubble I'm sure, but given McFarlane's pull at Fox, I wouldn't be shocked at all if he got at least one more season out of this.
 
I think his "pull" is greatly exaggerated. The 14 million dollar tax credit for season three matters more.

But again, we're reading tea leaves which is why I try to not do this kind of conversation.

I'm doing this kind of conversation, aren't I?
 
Also: I like the "pee-corner". Like, with your entire crew trapped in the shuttle-bay? That's what realistically is going to happen.
Right, I forgot to mention that. Big points from me as well. How many shows / movies are really willing to go there? Can we name any?

I think you're wrong, but even if not, their body armor is different. And Isaac has a "belt buckle" thing while the other Kaylon have a little button higher up integrated into their chest pad (more where a belly button would be).
Thank you for the pictures, I see it now!
 
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