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THE ORVILLE S1, E11 "NEW DIMENSIONS"

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  • ***** Excellent

    Votes: 23 43.4%
  • ****

    Votes: 20 37.7%
  • ***

    Votes: 7 13.2%
  • **

    Votes: 3 5.7%
  • * Fear the banana

    Votes: 0 0.0%

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It's an accepted thing in TV that getting someone out of a jam once vindicates you absolutely in all matters. But that doesn't make it beyond criticism when they do it.

Torres is a different case, half the crew was just wiped out and they needed a gesture to the Maquis that they were equal members of the crew.

It was definitely a good decision to change LaMarr's role for just being comic commentary. Just they could have sold the move in a way that didn't seem like the other top engineers got unfairly passed over.
 
I think moving LaMarr to engineering may be a little too on the nose in replicating the dynamics of TNG.

Well, TNG never devoted any time to the move, it just happened suddenly with a call-out in the Captain's log. Aside from similar jobs on the bridge, Lamarr and Geordi are nothing alike.
 
I thought it was very clear this episode takes place after Cupid's Arrow. After all, when Yaphit shows up in sickbay, Claire is very pissed and irritated as opposed to pre-Cupid's Arrow where she didn't have as short a fuse with him. Besides, in terms of the greater plot, how could this have been before Cupid's Arrow if Chief Newton was in Cupid's Arrow, but leaves the ship here?
Claire's reaction seemed pretty standard to me, but you're right about Newton-- I should have thought of that.
 
Well, TNG never devoted any time to the move, it just happened suddenly with a call-out in the Captain's log.
"By the way, chief medical officer is gone too. To do something. I'm not sure what. Oh, and she leaved her son behind. You know, standard stuff. Leaving your son on a starship that none can be sure it will ever return. And asking to a notorious womanizer to be his tutor."
 
One of the better episodes, but I found myself bored through most of it. So bored, I started noticing all the heavy sighing McFarlane puts into his emotional scenes, like the one in the mess hall/10-Forward set with Kelly.

I have to call bullshit on the "reputation is our currency" line Kelly used, since the whole upvote planet plot was about how that was a really bad idea. I get where she's coming from, but man did it sound tone-deaf!

The 2D universe, while beautiful, made no sense, visually. It looked like a waste of CGI money, to be honest. Visually, I kept expecting the Orville to have to race a light cycle.

So Yaphit is okay with things now, because, John is smart? Because who needs to be chief engineer when the guy who you said was too inept to lead accepted your idea? This is the downfall of episodic shows. Yaphit's thing is hitting on the Doctor. Which, if you hadn't watched the Blue Rob Lowe episode, you'd have no idea that the two had been intimate, because the already had Finn's kids interact with Isaac, so they hit their continuity limit. So, you can't have him maintain two things, adding on being jealous of John/angry at Mercer. And the engineers thinking that Yahpit was incompetent was way out of left field. Too bad, though, it would have made for a really entertaining subplot for future episodes, but on an episodic show, John yelling at them solved the problem. Hooray!

I'm glad Mercer's crisis of faith was so easily solved. Piloting the shuttle really would alleviate all of my doubts that I was good enough to be a Captain. Certainly better than a heart-to-heart about their similar issues. :rolleyes:

As for the theme, I fast forward through it. It's boring and non-offensive. Discovery's theme, however, sends shivers up my spine and gives me goosebumps. Every. Single. Episode.

Speaking of Discovery, I still maintain that the fact that so many of you bash it every chance you get in every Orville thread shows how thin this show is. As for the beginning part of the thread and the "We don't have anything else to discuss," then why are the threads posted so far in advance? This is a discussion board. If there's nothing to discuss, why bother having the thread open? Furthermore, no one mandates that you post in it. It's perfectly fine to keep the discussion in the thread centered around The Orville and jump into one of the numerous Discovery threads to discuss that show. Even better, create a "Orville vs. Discovery" thread and have it out there. But if discussing The Orville requires constant digs at Discovery, then again, and as blatant as I can make it--THE ORVILLE ISN'T AS GREAT A SHOW AS YOU WANT/HOPE IT TO BE.
 
Claire is my favorite character, it's a shame she won't be back till season 3. Though I look forward to meeting Dr Lupaski.

The more I think about it, moving LaMarr to engineering and making him a secret genius was a good move. The show doesn't need two dumb guys. If it wants to do Star Trek TNG style plots it needs somebody to be in charge of coming up with the brilliant technical solution that saves the day, and it doesn't really work as Isaac because with him it's dry technical expertise and not inspiration.

I just wonder, when we'll find out LaMarr was secretly genetically engineered.
 
Claire is my favorite character, it's a shame she won't be back till season 3. Though I look forward to meeting Dr Lupaski.

The more I think about it, moving LaMarr to engineering and making him a secret genius was a good move. The show doesn't need two dumb guys. If it wants to do Star Trek TNG style plots it needs somebody to be in charge of coming up with the brilliant technical solution that saves the day, and it doesn't really work as Isaac because with him it's dry technical expertise and not inspiration.

I just wonder, when we'll find out LaMarr was secretly genetically engineered.

I'd like to see that announced and then do the season premier next season without Claire.
 
LaMarr, LaForge, close enough.

I think its a double homage - LaMarr, LeVar.... John, Geordi.... the whole name is a part of the joke. Isaac's voice isn't that Data-like by accident, but the rest of him screams 3PO. Data, Worf and Geordi, the TNG supporting characters.... and the doctor is a mom? Meanwhile, Alara's pointy eared parents are judgemental and think they are smarter then everyone else. Its pretty close, yet still fresh and original. Too odd.
 
Maybe not. But it is better than Discovery. It is more like Star Trek than Discovery. Which hurts me to say, being a lifelong Star Trek fan.
Well, some people like one show better while some like the other show better. Some like both shows the same but in different ways and, shoot, some like neither--go figure!

There's no right answer to this. Just a matter of personal preference.
 
Isaac's voice isn't that Data-like by accident, but the rest of him screams 3PO.
Also, he is named after one of Gene Roddenbery's sci-fi author friends, Issac Asimov. Asimov came up with the positronic brain for the androids in his novels.. Soong used those in his creations. I know it's a bit of a reach butt...
 
I thought the joke was Isaac the Robot and Newton the Engineer, but you're probably right. It doesn't sound like too muchf of a reach at all for this show.
 
We barely got to even know Steve Newton. I hope this doesn't mean hearing shitty music in Engineering.

I wonder what the relationship with Yaphit will be like. At least until Yaphit morphs into somebody else (maybe voiced by Sarah Silverman) and the new one has the hots for John.

I also wonder about the Bridge dynamic. Certainly somebody has to fill his place, so will it be nameless/temporary named people or a whole new character?
 
I thought the joke was Isaac the Robot and Newton the Engineer, but you're probably right. It doesn't sound like too muchf of a reach at all for this show.

yeah I think Issac being a robot and Asimov's genre role with robots (3 laws and all that) is probably more likely a source for the name than any association between Roddenberry and Asimov.
 
I wonder if Mercer calling it Doctor Who's phone booth was deliberate to show he was familiar but not a active fan of the show, or was it just a oversight of the writer.
Mercer was referencing the 23rd century American reboot, where the main character is named Dr. Thelonius Who, and he works out of a P.H.O.N.E.B.O.O.T.H. (Pictorially Highly Ordinary Navigational Engine, Oddly Oversized, Tangentally Huge)
 
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