To be fair, they are now. When i looked eariler it was not on that page
The New USS Discovery....
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To be fair, they are now. When i looked eariler it was not on that page
Yeah, it's HORRIBLE that other people have opinions and express them -- Oh, that right, 'fans' expect any person involved in production of the show to just shut up and take it - and tell the fan his opinion is valid and thank him for it.
Sorry, I think it's ridiculous that fans think anything nasty they say should just be taken because "Hey, you're getting paid, and I'm the Customer, so I'm ALWAYS right."
In the end if you get so worked up over a piece of entertainment fiction that you're no longer are entertained by it, and can't/don't enjoy it - find some other form of entertainment that you like and enjoy that instead and drop the negativity.
I am curious why production designers specifically requested non-circular (cylindrical) nacelles? Perhaps because they don't want it confused with another ship later to make an appearance that HAS to have cylindrical nacelles...hmmm.
Well someone has to be in awe of the amble cylindrical nacelles of the guest staring starship.
"Now...now...young minds, fresh ideas."
Well, scratching starship beauty shots off of why I'm watching. The designs are interesting but ugly.
In my opinion.
In my opinion.
I'm a little confused by the back-and-forth on the markings on Discovery. In the first teaser, they used a thin Microgramma font, like the FJ manuals and the Kelvin-timeline ships. Then we saw the Shenzhou, which used a bold, outlined Microgramma similar to what was used in Prime-Trek since TMP (the old version modified the "1" so the top wasn't as long, so it'd look less like a "7"). Then in the posters we saw the Discovery had blocky TOS-style markings. Now in the Eaglemoss images (both renders and the photos) it's using the same pseudo-TMP font as the Shenzhou.
Was there some kind of production-design turf-war going on over whether to use futuristic Microgramma or period-appropriate retro TOS-style lettering?
Was there some kind of production-design turf-war going on over whether to use futuristic Microgramma or period-appropriate retro TOS-style lettering?
Other tidbits about the Discovery:
- The shuttlebay doors have been textured to look more obviously like doors, but there are still those chevron lines that confuse the issue.
- Big oblong blocks sliding on rails atop the saucer. Beneath we find... What?
- The saucer aft rim has paired black holes. Rocket nozzles? Torpedo tubes? No bow view so we can't tell if there's symmetry (the side view is just a tad too blurred for positive identification).
- Since the markings on the orthos of the Shenzhou aren't particularly good matches for onscreen reality, the same probably goes for these orthos. Still, are the diagonal lines on secondary hull supposed to be pure paint, or surface features?
- It doesn't say "United Federation of Planets" anywhere. Excellent continuity with TOS?
Timo Saloniemi
- The shuttlebay doors have been textured to look more obviously like doors, but there are still those chevron lines that confuse the issue.
- Big oblong blocks sliding on rails atop the saucer. Beneath we find... What?
- The saucer aft rim has paired black holes. Rocket nozzles? Torpedo tubes? No bow view so we can't tell if there's symmetry (the side view is just a tad too blurred for positive identification).
- Since the markings on the orthos of the Shenzhou aren't particularly good matches for onscreen reality, the same probably goes for these orthos. Still, are the diagonal lines on secondary hull supposed to be pure paint, or surface features?
- It doesn't say "United Federation of Planets" anywhere. Excellent continuity with TOS?
Timo Saloniemi
WRONG FONT!
Our first orthos to dissect!
USS Discovery:
http://www.eaglemoss.com/uploads/150594225147228/original.jpg
USS Shenzhou:
http://www.eaglemoss.com/uploads/150594129463694/original.jpg
OK, now it feels like Star Trek!
Every time I see the Shenzhou I am reminded of Talyn from Farscape. Not that that's a bad thing. he was a badass little ship
I'm guessing Chanterelle, Shiitake, Portabello, or Morel.
"Why don't you like it? I did it, I spent valuably time doing it!" is something I don't think works in favour of creative people selling their product....
Also: If it's not the end of a Youtube-comment section, but if the creator has the feeling EVERYONE is critizising his work, and get's enraged by that, maybe that work simply isn't that good? This is like politicians lashing out at voters. They might even be right. But regardless, the optics of it are never in their favour.
In this case: The design of the Discovery. It's a horrible mess. I know John Eaves' work. And I love most of it. But even a talented guy every once in a while delivers a turd. Especially if he is working under the directive of "fixing" a failed first version of a design, while also incorporating the notes of the higher-ups on how to fix that, instead of being able to do what he himself would do.
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Perhaps not effective response, but very human.
Obviously nobody has to like a designer's work, but why the fuck would any sane person think it's a good idea to pester the artist on Facebook about it?
"Why don't you like it? I did it, I spent valuably time doing it!" is something I don't thing works in favour of creative people selling their product....
It's funny, because I keep coming back to this theme at work and online.Obviously nobody has to like a designer's work, but why the fuck would any sane person think it's a good idea to pester the artist on Facebook about it?
It feels good, but it isn't effective. And its something humans are very talented at is wanting to feel good, regardless of the results. So, telling the artist off online may change absolutely nothing but emotional catharsis.
I'm sure I'll warm up to the Discovery once I see her in action. While I appreciate the visual callbacks to the "Planet of the Titans" proposed Enterprise, I can't help feeling like this ship is the result of McQuarrie's design losing a fight with a taffy puller.
Anyone still think they're "hiding" the hero ship?
Obviously nobody has to like a designer's work, but why the fuck would any sane person think it's a good idea to pester the artist on Facebook about it?
Oh, you're absolutely right it is anything but nice to do that! But then again, I'm not buying a product of these people. Stooping down to their level is not a good idea for anyone.
But I have to admit: I also think this design is crap. In the end, it's not the make-or-break point of the series. And I really don't want to hurt John Eaves, because, as I said, this guy is a genius. But this product of him? Eh.. Not good. Every great artist has one or two absolute stinkers on his resumé. It's just a little unfortunate that happened to the main ship of a new series. Even if he personally really isn't responsible for it, he has to live with the critique.
(Also, and just a side note: I really don't think John Eaves crossed any line, or acted in any way inappropriete. What he did was very human and comprehensibly, and he was very mannered about it. No comparison to the "real" lash-out at fans of Bob Orci or anything. This whole situation with him, a great guy, a not so great design, and the back and forth on a facebook-page is more saddening than anything else. I still love this guy unequivocally!)
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