The New USS Discovery....

[137th Gebirg]

Hell, the silly GR "rules" didn't even exist in Gene's mind until after the show was cancelled and Franz Joseph came up with the Saladin/Hermes/Federation odd-number engine designs in the SF Technical Manual. It was more of an FU to FJ to de-legitimize his work from a licensing POV than anything actually tied to the technology within the franchise. It was all a licensing pissing contest, from start to finish and, somewhere along the way, it became canon.

Edit: Ex Astris has an article about it with nice example illustrations and TrekPlace has an article at how the "rules" were specifically tailored to go after FJ's work.

 

[GeekFilter]

Hell, the silly GR "rules" didn't even exist in Gene's mind until after the show was cancelled and Franz Joseph came up with the Saladin/Hermes/Federation odd-number engine designs in the SF Technical Manual. It was more of an FU to FJ to de-legitimize his work from a licensing POV than anything actually tied to the technology within the franchise. It was all a licensing pissing contest, from start to finish and, somewhere along the way, it became canon.

Edit: Ex Astris has an article about it with nice example illustrations and TrekPlace has an article at how the "rules" were specifically tailored to go after FJ's work.

Exactly! The reason TAS was 'canon' had similar legal/profit reasons. It's all silly business stuff.

 

[137th Gebirg]

^^^ Precisely so, yes. I think there may have also been a pissing contest going on between GR and DC Fontana, who had a big hand in getting TAS made that caused that effort to be decanonized in his mind, similar to what happened between him and FJ. He must have really been quite a douche-canoe to work for/with/around/under.

 

[GeekFilter]

Yeah

^^^ Precisely so, yes. I think there may have also been a pissing contest going on between GR and DC Fontana, who had a big hand in getting TAS made that caused that effort to be decanonized in his mind, similar to what happened between him and FJ. He must have really been quite a douche-canoe to work for/with/around/under.

Yes, I appreciate/admire all the world building he did and the effort it took to get Trek made but after listening to all the people I've interviewed I am pretty sure I would have murdered him at some point if I worked on the show. I'd be "The Man Who Killed Star Trek" because he'd asked for 100 revisions on a ship design!

 

[RAMA]

@RAMA , is something you could share through Twitter or Instagram?

I tested it and it worked then it stopped working. Ugh

 

[Mudd]

Yes, I appreciate/admire all the world befuddling he did

This is perfect.

GR was not doing approvals of what kind of ships they were putting onscreen by the time of BOTW.

 

[GeekFilter]

This is perfect.

GR was not doing approvals of what kind of ships they were putting onscreen by the time of BOTW.

OMG that was supposed to say world BUILDING! I swear that is just an encapsulation of my entire year!

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Did someone suggest the whole centre of the saucer seperating?

That would be kind of cool.

 

[Nerys Myk]

He broke his own rules on many occasion. There Niagara class has 3 Nacelles and it went out under his watch during TNG. http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Niagara_class

I always imagine Gene rattling off rules like Riley in "The Naked Time":
Now, attention, cooks. This is your captain speaking. I would like double portions of ice cream for the entire crew.
Attention, crew. This is Captain Riley. There will be a formal dance in the bowling alley at nineteen hundred hours tonight.
In the future, all female crew members will wear their hair loosely, about their shoulders.
And use restraint in putting on your makeup. Women, women should not look made up.

 

[GeekFilter]

Did someone suggest the whole centre of the saucer seperating?

That would be kind of cool.

I kinda did the reverse with rings separating and keeping the bridge attached to the engineering hull, but I have heard people talking bout the bridge "bubble" separating too. Not sure what that gets you w/out propulsion and all that.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

I kinda did the reverse with rings separating and keeping the bridge attached to the engineering hull, but I have heard people talking bout the bridge "bubble" separating too. Not sure what that gets you w/out propulsion and all that.

My issue with that centre bit moving out is how? There's a long piece of secondary hull running under the saucer unless the centre bit goes up and then out, but it just looks like it would be awkward from a mechanical design POV.

 

[GeekFilter]

My issue with that centre bit moving out is how? There's a long piece of secondary hull running under the saucer unless the centre bit goes up and then out, but it just looks like it would be awkward from a mechanical design POV.

This is what I was thinking

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

This is what I was thinking

Oooh I like this...... But wasn't there a long bit running under the saucer near the neck?

I liked your first version where the ball bit stays behind.

 

[GeekFilter]

Oooh I like this...... But wasn't there a long bit running under the saucer near the neck?

I liked your first version where the ball bit stays behind.

I made this a while ago, but it was only a proof of concept. I took an existing piece I had drawn and sliced it up so the accuracy is not guaranteed :-)

 

[Tuskin38]

I'm thinking the inner ring separates, leaving the outer ring and the bridge sphere behind.

 

[CorporalClegg]

I'm thinking the inner ring separates, leaving the outer ring and the bridge sphere behind.

Neat idea. But it sounds a little overly complicated, especially for an "emergency situation."

But I guess if it looks cool on screen...

 

[Noname Given]

Hell, the silly GR "rules" didn't even exist in Gene's mind until after the show was cancelled and Franz Joseph came up with the Saladin/Hermes/Federation odd-number engine designs in the SF Technical Manual. It was more of an FU to FJ to de-legitimize his work from a licensing POV than anything actually tied to the technology within the franchise. It was all a licensing pissing contest, from start to finish and, somewhere along the way, it became canon.

Edit: Ex Astris has an article about it with nice example illustrations and TrekPlace has an article at how the "rules" were specifically tailored to go after FJ's work.

Well, GR did it (IE added the two nacelle rule) because he was upset that based on the deal Franz Joseph made with Paramount for doing the Star Trek Technical Manual - GR found out if he wanted to use those ship designs and drawings in ST:TMP in any way - the production have to pay FJ a royalty and he was unhappy about that.

 

[KirkusOveractus]

Well, GR did it (IE added the two nacelle rule) because he was upset that based on the deal Franz Joseph made with Paramount for doing the Star Trek Technical Manual - GR found out if he wanted to use those ship designs and drawings in ST:TMP in any way - the production have to pay FJ a royalty and he was unhappy about that.

And what's funny is in the comm chatter while seeing Epsilon 9 for the first time, it orders a couple ships to rendezvous, using names and ship numbers from that manual!

 

[137th Gebirg]

And what's funny is in the comm chatter while seeing Epsilon 9 for the first time, it orders a couple ships to rendezvous, using names and ship numbers from that manual!

Beat me to it. Yes, since TMP was pretty much Gene's baby and was deep in the production's guts, the fact that anything even remotely tied to FJ's work in that movie actually making it to the final cut smacks of a bit of hypocrisy on GR's part. I wonder if FJ ever actually got any royalties for that specific usage in the film. I'd have demanded it, if I were him, just as a little FU back to Gene after being treated so horribly.

 

[KirkusOveractus]

Beat me to it. Yes, since TMP was pretty much Gene's baby and was deep in the production's guts, the fact that anything even remotely tied to FJ's work in that movie actually making it to the final cut smacks of a bit of hypocrisy on GR's part. I wonder if FJ ever actually got any royalties for that specific usage in the film. I'd have demanded it, if I were him, just as a little FU back to Gene after being treated so horribly.

I love the Technical Manual, too. It's such an exhaustive work, along with the Enterprise deck plans FJ did.