The New USS Discovery....

[Rahul]

If we're getting to see a Constitution-class starship, it will be the (exact!) same Constitution we know from the original series. But it will be a completely new CGI-model of it, with much more texture, details and lightening (think Picard's Enterprise-D and the Connie at the end of "These are the voyages", the Enterprise-finale).

And we ARE going to see a Connie. But they won't show us one simply in the background. It's going to be a big reveal. Maybe under construction. But much like "Rogue One" showed us Leia and the Tantive IV in it's final shot, DIS will have a big "moment", where people talk about the new "5-year mission", and everyone will look ablazed at that super advanced ship ready for launch, with it's big letters "NCC 1701 USS Enterprise" on it. Probably having James Frain as Sarek comment on it, saying he is proud his son is on board. Maybe they even Forest-Gump young Shatner and Nimoy on screen for a second.

Also, this will be the moment general audiences finally realize this was a prequel the whole time. And every Trek nerd that knew it all these years and analyzed every background detail will demonstratively roll their eyes.

 

[Mudd]

Meh, just as likely Enterprise has been in service for years - it would have been in the Prime timeline.

Or maybe not, since this isn't really the Prime timeline.

But, since it's not the Prime timeline Enterprise may look like the one in ST:TMP or ST 2009 or something entirely different.

 

[sojourner]

If we're getting to see a Constitution-class starship, it will be the (exact!) same Constitution we know from the original series. But it will be a completely new CGI-model of it, with much more texture, details and lightening (think Picard's Enterprise-D and the Connie at the end of "These are the voyages", the Enterprise-finale).

And we ARE going to see a Connie. But they won't show us one simply in the background. It's going to be a big reveal. Maybe under construction. But much like "Rogue One" showed us Leia and the Tantive IV in it's final shot, DIS will have a big "moment", where people talk about the new "5-year mission", and everyone will look ablazed at that super advanced ship ready for launch, with it's big letters "NCC 1701 USS Enterprise" on it. Probably having James Frain as Sarek comment on it, saying he is proud his son is on board. Maybe they even Forest-Gump young Shatner and Nimoy on screen for a second.

Also, this will be the moment general audiences finally realize this was a prequel the whole time. And every Trek nerd that knew it all these years and analyzed every background detail will demonstratively roll their eyes.

^The problem here with your scenario is that the Enterprise 1701 is already an old ship at the time Discovery is set. Pike commanded before Kirk.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

And the problem with Serveaux's scenario is that DSC could still be set in the Prime universe. The Klingons don't prove anything. We just don't have enough information yet to be sure one way or another.

 

[BillJ]

And secondly, all the previous TV shows (TAS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT) showed us exactly the same Constitution-class model. It was never thrown out!

Well, no. In Data's search in "The Naked Now" (that seemed to take a while), they show the updated Constitution from the movies (pre-remaster). Plus, we see one with nacelles on their side in other scenes, painted silver that is also the movie version.

RIKER: Data, I need help in locating some library computer information.
DATA: Specifics, sir?
RIKER: All I have is a vague memory of reading somewhere about someone taking a shower in his or her clothing.
DATA: Ah. The body Geordi discovered.
RIKER: I believe it may have happened before.
DATA: To someone, somewhere.
RIKER: This ought to be easy for someone written up in bio-mechanical texts.
DATA: About that, sir. Did the Doctor believe I was boasting?
RIKER: Probably. This may take some time.
DATA: At least several hours. But what I said was a statement of fact. Perhaps she will look it up.

In TNG, I'm pretty sure we didn't see the TOS-version of the ship until after Roddenberry's death.

 

[sojourner]

^^ And the other problem with Serveaux's scenario is that DSC could still be set in the Prime universe. The Klingons don't prove anything. We just don't have enough information yet to be sure one way or another.

I was replying to Rahul.

 

[Ithekro]

I could still see them referencing or setting up for this grand "Five Year Mission" concept that they even used as a new thing with Into Darkness and Beyond. Just this time it was be Captain Pike setting out with the USS Enterprise after getting his ship finally finished refitting for this new mission after the terrible incidents at Rigel VII and Talos IV and limping back to Vega Colony.

 

[Captain of the USS Averof]

The Connie model for Trials and Tribble-ations was only about 5 feet rather than the 11 feet of the original. They deliberately changed several aspects of the design. The CGI not only changed it further, it decided to depict entirely new things about the ship to change it when needed.

The hanger bay has different dimensions and now the Enterprise has a hanger full of tiny satellites ready to go from a ventral drop bay it never had in any schematic from the 60's and 70's, because it was easier for the episode.

The two side lights became the Ion pods etc

Really?!?

Well, no. In Data's search in "The Naked Now" (that seemed to take a while), they show the updated Constitution from the movies (pre-remaster). Plus, we see one with nacelles on their side in other scenes, painted silver that is also the movie version.



In TNG, I'm pretty sure we didn't see the TOS-version of the ship until after Roddenberry's death.

Well, YES!

http://tng.trekcore.com/bluray/images_s6trailer/tngs6_hd_03_large.jpg

I was replying to Rahul.

Good thing you edited your post then!

 

[Rahul]

^The problem here with your scenario is that the Enterprise 1701 is already an old ship at the time Discovery is set. Pike commanded before Kirk.

Out of all the things canon in the prime universe, this is the one thing I wouldn't be sure to show up in DIS. I'd argue they will work around that: When they watch the launch of Kirk's Enterprise, she is in construction to be refitted from Pike's version or something.

But IF a Connie makes an appereance, it's going to be the Enterprise. And IF the Enterprise appears, it's going to be with Kirk and Spock. This is a given. And probably one of the main reasons for the setting of the new series as a whole. Pike is simply too unknown pop-culturalwise. (Although Trek09 might have helped in this regard)

 

[BillJ]

Out of all the things canon in the prime universe, this is the one thing I wouldn't be sure to show up in DIS. I'd argue they will work around that: When they watch the launch of Kirk's Enterprise, she is in construction to be refitted from Pike's version or something.

But IF a Connie makes an appereance, it's going to be the Enterprise. And IF the Enterprise appears, it's going to be with Kirk and Spock. This is a given. And probably one of the main reasons for the setting of the new series as a whole. Pike is simply too unknown pop-culturalwise. (Although Trek09 might have helped in this regard)

Which would make it a reboot considering Discovery takes place in roughly 2255, or maybe a bit earlier. We could discount "The Cage" on its own, but Kirk commanding that early would also contradict "The Menagerie".

 

[Kemaiku]

The Cage happened in 2254, if Discovery is really in the same universe, we'd have to see the Enterprise at least one year after that.

Since they're updating the look of everything, the Enterprise will no doubt have to be different too. Otherwise why would a ship with the registry 1031 have such a futuristic bridge with plasma touchscreens and much more modern looking interior be so advanced over the 1701 state of the art ship?

Enterprise's interior has to be even newer and shinier than Discovery's.

 

[Rahul]

Which would make it a reboot considering Discovery takes place in roughly 2255, or maybe a bit earlier. We could discount "The Cage" on its own, but Kirk commanding that early would also contradict "The Menagerie".

No.

Just because they won't show it doesn't mean it didn't happen. You won't see Pike and Spock. But you will likely see Kirk and Spock (at least "their" Enterprise - the traditional Connie) make an appereance. Doesn't mean the former didn't happen.

 

[Ithekro]

I'd assume we've never see the interior of USS Enterprise during Discover. Just an exterior shot to lock in the rough timeframe of the series.

 

[Kevin Wolff]

We'll see a re-imagined Connie by Season 2 is my guess. Probably not Enterprise, but we'll get a new exterior and interior. I'm thinking it will be like the refit if it was designed now.
The whole DSC series can serve as a slow rebuild of the TOS era. World building and setting the stage for the next series, much like TNG did.

 

[Kemaiku]

The general audience doesn't care when it takes place, and for the fans all the promotional material so far has outright said it takes places 10 years before the Original Series. What else do you need and why?

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

We'll see a re-imagined Connie by Season 2 is my guess. Probably not Enterprise

Time's about right for the Farragut disaster to finally be shown...

And Discovery's presence could be easily explained, they just answered the distress call and showed up to assist the survivors.

 

[The Impaler]

I'm all for updating the look of the Trek universe. My only caveat to that is that things should still "resemble" what we have seen before. In other words, as fans we should be able to recognize established things even though they may be different. With that being said, the Connie should be recognizable to what it was originally. Update texturing and what not, but the general idea should be the same. I'd hate for them to put superfluous things on the outside, part of the beauty is the sleekness and simplicity on the overall aesthetic.

 

[Mudd]

Star Trek V: The Final Frontier is about the closest you could get to a more modern version of the TOS bridge - at least, it was built to the same general design with a great deal more resources than were available to Jefferies.

 

[Kemaiku]

And look how that turned out...

 

[Longinus]

Star Trek V: The Final Frontier is about the closest you could get to a more modern version of the TOS bridge - at least, it was built to the same general design with a great deal more resources than were available to Jefferies.

Yeah. Were it in TOS colours, it would be pretty good movie quality TOS era bridge.