The new trilogy made over 1 billion dollars worldwide

[wayne39]

People who are looking at star trek beyond as a box office disappointment, I rather see another narrative. the 3 films in the single trilogy grossed over $1.177.000.000 billion dollars. this is a huge success of a series like star trek that did not even have any overseas box office track record.
I think this series has been more commercially successful than the TNG Movie era and even TOS Film era.
Lets also remember the critical reception, no movie in the new trilogy went as low as star trek 5 or some of the TNG movies.
I am more than proud to call the Kelvin universe a success era in star trek's history even if we don't get a Trek 4.

 

[PixelMagic]

It doesn't matter how much the trilogy made, it matters how much profit is made from them. Even if the movies made 3 billion, but still cost 2.5 billion (exaggerated for argument) to make, it would still be a failure on the percentage of profit. Clearly ST09 and Into Darkness were not failures, as they made sequels to them. The word is still out on Beyond. I hope we get a sequel, because Beyond was the best in my opinion.

 

[Smellmet]

People who are looking at star trek beyond as a box office disappointment, I rather see another narrative. the 3 films in the single trilogy grossed over $1.177.000.000 billion dollars. this is a huge success of a series like star trek that did not even have any overseas box office track record.
I think this series has been more commercially successful than the TNG Movie era and even TOS Film era.
Lets also remember the critical reception, no movie in the new trilogy went as low as star trek 5 or some of the TNG movies.
I am more than proud to call the Kelvin universe a success era in star trek's history even if we don't get a Trek 4.

Unfortunately, we live in an era where one film, sometimes costing less that what Beyond did to make grossing that much, sometimes a lot more. Time will tell if we get a sequel.It looks like Beyond is going to just fall short of 350million dollars worldwide, which is not great, but on the other hand is only 35 million short of ST09's gross. I too hope for another movie in this series.

 

[-Brett-]

Any movie is successful if you lump it with other movies. Kind of a ridiculous way to look at it.

 

[BillJ]

Hollywood is a "what have you done for me lately?" kind of town.

I hope there is a Star Trek 4, but if I was an executive and it was my job to judge whether or not it was financially prudent to move forward, I'd be thinking long and hard about it.

 

[Mage]

For some weird reason, movies these days don't simply need to make A profit, but a HUGE profit. I'm still not sure what to believe of all the stories, but it's said that even though Age Of Ultron made huges profits, Disney considered it a failure on some levels since it didn't go over 1 billion. I mean, wtf...... Again, not sure what's true there and what it isn't.
But that seems to be the way things are right now.

 

[Smellmet]

For some weird reason, movies these days don't simply need to make A profit, but a HUGE profit. I'm still not sure what to believe of all the stories, but it's said that even though Age Of Ultron made huges profits, Disney considered it a failure on some levels since it didn't go over 1 billion. I mean, wtf...... Again, not sure what's true there and what it isn't.
But that seems to be the way things are right now.

Your reasoning is sound, but I think the budgets of these type of films has spiralled along with the grosses. The budget of beyond for example would have paid for the entire run of TOS movies, inflation notwithstanding of course but you see my point. We're seeing some blockbusters budgets starting to head towards three hundred million dollars these days, before marketing. They need billion dollar returns to be viable.

 

[Mage]

Your reasoning is sound, but I think the budgets of these type of films has spiralled along with the grosses. The budget of beyond for example would have paid for the entire run of TOS movies, inflation notwithstanding of course but you see my point. We're seeing some blockbusters budgets starting to head towards three hundred million dollars these days, before marketing. They need billion dollar returns to be viable.

True true. And I guess that keeps on snowballing aswell, so before you know it, 500 million dollar budgets are gonna be the norm for a blockbuster.

 

[RAMA]

Yup, I've pointed out the trilogy has made over $1.1 billion already.. More than the first of 10 combined. Gigantic success story for the franchise.

Beyond will easily make a profit in secondary revenue, it's been in the top 5 for weeks on digital and disc. Currently holds the top spot on Amazon for both DVD and bluray.

Almost all Hollywood blockbusters make profit only once the reach secondary revenue.. That's how expensive they are, even most of the big Super hero movies. That's how it works.

 

[BillJ]

Almost all Hollywood blockbusters make profit only once the reach secondary revenue.. That's how expensive they are, even most of the big Super hero movies. That's how it works.

Beyond has a pretty big hill to climb to profitability. If the general consensus about the 2x multiplier and the $120 million dollar marketing budget are correct.

 

[SPCTRE]

I am more than proud

why are you proud? did you work on the trilogy?

 

[Shalashaska]

For some weird reason, movies these days don't simply need to make A profit, but a HUGE profit. I'm still not sure what to believe of all the stories, but it's said that even though Age Of Ultron made huges profits, Disney considered it a failure on some levels since it didn't go over 1 billion. I mean, wtf...... Again, not sure what's true there and what it isn't.
But that seems to be the way things are right now.

Studios no longer make a bunch of mid-budget films with smaller profits, they now all make one or two big-budget blockbusters that have to make huge profits in order to be a success. It's a reason why the Star Trek movies have gotten much larger budgets since '09.

 

[fireproof78]

Studios no longer make a bunch of mid-budget films with smaller profits, they now all make one or two big-budget blockbusters that have to make huge profits in order to be a success. It's a reason why the Star Trek movies have gotten much larger budgets since '09.

Exactly so. The studios have moved past the era of a couple of tentpoles with the rest of the year being smaller films and gone almost exclusively with tent pole films to make their money.

 

[timtonruben359]

It doesn't matter how much the trilogy made, it matters how much profit is made from them. Even if the movies made 3 billion, but still cost 2.5 billion (exaggerated for argument) to make, it would still be a failure on the percentage of profit. Clearly ST09 and Into Darkness were not failures, as they made sequels to them. The word is still out on Beyond. I hope we get a sequel, because Beyond was the best in my opinion.

Very true, studios don't look at overall franchise numbers they go on a film by film look. Now that being said, Star Trek is a proven film franchise which means Paramount isn't going to just throw it out the window however, the question is what are we going to see next? I'm very doubtful that we'll get the sequel that was publicized before Beyond's release. I personally think the Kelvin Universe as we have known it is dead. Getting the whole cast back together and doing another big movie would likely prove to be too expensive for Paramount and its partners to sink their teeth into.

Beyond made nearly $160 million in domestic box office and just over $340 million worldwide. This shows that domestically the core Trek audience is still there but the wider general audience that went to see ST09 and STID didn't turn up in large numbers. The international box office is the second best of any Star Trek movie (betting out ST09) so Trek, which historically hasn't done well internationally before the Kelvin movies, still has held onto to some of the international fandom.

I think Paramount should look to the success of its recently release sci-fi movie Arrival as a model of what to do with Trek next. Arrival is a smart, thoughtful, character driven sci-fi movie that has received good critical reviews and was made on a $47 million budget. After just over two weeks in the theaters its already in profit territory. I think Paramount could make a really good Trek film on a significantly lower budget if they get over the mentality that Trek can/should be a big tent pole franchise. Trek has historically been a niche market film franchise and should go back to that and its best movies (II, IV, VI, FC) were all made on tight budgets.

 

[The Overlord]

We live in a world a where a single MCU movie can a billion dollars on its own. I am not sure Paramount is too thrilled with how this franchise is performing lately.

 

[Galileo7]

Hollywood is a "what have you done for me lately?" kind of town.

I hope there is a Star Trek 4, but if I was an executive and it was my job to judge whether or not it was financially prudent to move forward, I'd be thinking long and hard about it.

Agree. They have to get the right script for Star Trek 4 and director.

 

[Smellmet]

Very true, studios don't look at overall franchise numbers they go on a film by film look. Now that being said, Star Trek is a proven film franchise which means Paramount isn't going to just throw it out the window however, the question is what are we going to see next? I'm very doubtful that we'll get the sequel that was publicized before Beyond's release. I personally think the Kelvin Universe as we have known it is dead. Getting the whole cast back together and doing another big movie would likely prove to be too expensive for Paramount and its partners to sink their teeth into.

Beyond made nearly $160 million in domestic box office and just over $340 million worldwide. This shows that domestically the core Trek audience is still there but the wider general audience that went to see ST09 and STID didn't turn up in large numbers. The international box office is the second best of any Star Trek movie (betting out ST09) so Trek, which historically hasn't done well internationally before the Kelvin movies, still has held onto to some of the international fandom.

I think Paramount should look to the success of its recently release sci-fi movie Arrival as a model of what to do with Trek next. Arrival is a smart, thoughtful, character driven sci-fi movie that has received good critical reviews and was made on a $47 million budget. After just over two weeks in the theaters its already in profit territory. I think Paramount could make a really good Trek film on a significantly lower budget if they get over the mentality that Trek can/should be a big tent pole franchise. Trek has historically been a niche market film franchise and should go back to that and its best movies (II, IV, VI, FC) were all made on tight budgets.

It will have to largely abandon the notion it has to be 'blockbustery' and dial back on the preposterous set pieces. Use the budget wisely for, say two decent set pieces and inject some drama and suspense. I'm all for it.

 

[timtonruben359]

It will have to largely abandon the notion it has to be 'blockbustery' and dial back on the preposterous set pieces. Use the budget wisely for, say two decent set pieces and inject some drama and suspense. I'm all for it.

The next movie could very well take place in the Kelvin Universe, I agree the era of the big budget Star Trek movie is (or at least should be) over.

 

[ricardocube]

Just look how well TWOK did with a smaller budget that TMP. You don't need long and complex SFX. Its about the characters.

 

[donners22]

I don't think TWOK is a great comparison.

TWOK came at a time when there was a build up of interest in Trek over the course of years and a strong demand for more of it, and featured characters who were instantly recognisable and beloved by many people.

It's a very different story now. Trek is coming off years of saturation amid declining interest; one need only look at the lack of hype for either Beyond or Discovery.

Besides, TWOK barely made a ripple outside the US box office; international markets are increasingly lucrative now.

The cast's salaries will take up an increasingly large portion of the budget. While I agree it should be reduced, there is only so far it can be reduced before significant compromises are made in the visual appeal of the film.