The New Movies Yea or Nay

[TEACAKE'S PLEATHER DOME]

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Also we get to this Kirk in his underwear, his tighty whities!!!!!!!!!!1

All we got with Shatner was some rather unfortunate gym leggings. Well I'm sure some people enjoyed it and this was the 60's so we shouldn't complain.

 

[Nerys Myk]

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Kirk was almost shirtlesss as often as Ron Ely as Tarzan.

 

[fireproof78]

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I will go back and expand a bit on why I am not a fan on NuTrek and go into a bit of my history with Trek (which may explain my opinion towards the NuTrek)

I think what kind of got to me was it WAS an alternate universe which meant JJ Abrams could do what ever he wanted with the series and pass it off as Trek (which was great for creative purposes but at the same time caused a few "bumps" in my opinion) This aspect allowed him to change or expand upon things that I personally thought (note this is personal opinion) were perfect the way they were in the TOS episodes. such things as the romance between Spock and Uhura or how he attained the captains chair, or even the fact that Pike was such a big character in the movies vs the show where he appeared twice. Then there are two sides of a coin one side has actors perfectly portraying the characters, such as the actor who played Bones and the actor who played Chekov. They perfectly captured the essence of the original characters. On the other hand you have the actress who played Uhura and (again in my opinion) the actor who played Kirk. On one hand they are both great actors who brought a fresh face to Trek, but on the other hand I don't see the original characters in them as much as I do in the other characters.

As for a little back story as to maybe why I have this opinion...I did not grow up watching Star Trek, I didn't watch the episodes as they aired or have a childhood revolving around Star Trek in any way. I became a Trek fan very recently, though I dove in head first and have become full on obsessed with the franchise (I collect the comics, toys, costumes, dress up at conventions etc.) I started watching about a year ago in honor of my deceased father who was a huge Trek fan, but since then I have seen every episode, movie, and documentary revolving around Star Trek, and therein may lie why I'm so particular, I'm not viewing it as "a fresh new start" or "keeping the torch burning" because as a young Trek fan (21) I think they are perfect how they were, it's what attracted me to them, I don't feel that connection or passion for the new movies that I feel for the show. I do like that it brought Trek back into the light and helped our community to gain some more followers, but I also see those "new fans" going back to watch the TV series and coming out disappointed or unimpressed with the show THE THING THAT THE MOVIE CAME FROM!

I just feel less than happy with the movies and I honestly can't articulate why I feel this way. The acting was great (for the most part) the effects were phenomenal and the story was good, I just can't get into them and I hate that because I want to like them.

Brie, I really appreciate you taking the time to describe your feelings, and I hope you read this long response.

First of all, I got in to Trek because of my dad but that was when I was 8, watching recorded episodes on VHS tapes. Balance of Terror was my first episode and is still my favorite. Kirk definitely grabbed my attention, especially in his confrontation with Stiles, and Spock's attempt to save the men in the phaser control room also stood out to me. Also, Kirk's attitude towards his Romulan counterpart.

That said, with the new films, there is a sense of adventure that I feel. Not only that, but the characters are different only in their look and experiences. I still see similar leadership qualities in Kirk, the willingness to sacrifice in Spock, and other parts that drew me in in the first place.

I think, for me, the new characters are a little bit more approachable than their TOS counterparts. As a kid, I could kind of identify with Spock (feeling like an outsider) but I wasn't emotionless (quite the opposite). Now, I find myself identifying with nuSpock because there is a struggle of belonging that I find so relatable that it really hits me. Similarly with Kirk, I find him just so interesting to watch him grow as a character, knowing the potential to became James T. Kirk, captain of the Enterprise that I grew up with is just under the surface.

I think, for me, and something I have observed, is the new movies need characters that I can relate to. For me, Spock, Kirk, and Pike are all people I feel a connection with, or sympathize with, something like that. If there is not a connection, it can be difficult to find enjoyment with the film.

At least, that has been my observation. Other people may think I'm crazy

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

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Huge nay.

Would've preferred something original (new crew, new ship, new mission kinda thing) or, failing that, a full and proper reboot--not just alternate timeline.

Turn offs in NuTrek include (but are not limited too): lens flares, Uhura, ugly starships, transwarp beaming, super-warp drive, shields as strong as tissue paper, pointless underwear shots, Spock/Uhura 'romance', Blingons, generic action sci-fi stories (except when ripping off other Trek movies), ripping off TWOK, underutilisation of characters (particularly McCoy), underwater starships, Cadet-to-Captain Kirk in only a matter of days, giant Star Warsian alien monsters, female uniforms now armless (during a time when rank is displayed on the cuffs), too-young crew, weak female characters.

Turn ons in NuTrek: Karl Urban, variety of new alien designs.

 

[IrishNero]

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I'm speculating but I think they thought that reimagining TOS was a way to bring back the old fans while creating new ones. It probably worked to some degree. However, the alternate timeline somehow seems to negate the original series and all that has happened prior to the new timeline.

Yes, the transwarp beaming was probably one of the most implausible moments in all of Trek. Beaming someone onboard a Starship that's been moving away from you at multiples of the speed of light in an unknown direction for several hours? Sure, and take some unicorns and Leprechauns with you while you're at it...Sure, it's all imagination but some things like communicators, replicators and phasers seem plausible in the modern era. For some reason however, that one smacked of being a little bit too implausible and entirely convenient.

I also hate that McCoy is underutilized. He seems to have taken a back to Uhura in this series. It's a shame too, because Urban's portrayal is the best of this cast, bar none. I really hope they intend to use him more in this next movie.

 

[Nerys Myk]

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Yes, the transwarp beaming was probably one of the most implausible moments in all of Trek. Beaming someone onboard a Starship that's been moving away from you at multiples of the speed of light in an unknown direction for several hours? Sure, and take some unicorns and Leprechauns with you while you're at it...Sure, it's all imagination but some things like communicators, replicators and phasers seem plausible in the modern era. For some reason however, that one smacked of being a little bit too implausible and entirely convenient.

What about all the times the same thing was done in TOS and other shows?

 

[IrishNero]

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Yes, the transwarp beaming was probably one of the most implausible moments in all of Trek. Beaming someone onboard a Starship that's been moving away from you at multiples of the speed of light in an unknown direction for several hours? Sure, and take some unicorns and Leprechauns with you while you're at it...Sure, it's all imagination but some things like communicators, replicators and phasers seem plausible in the modern era. For some reason however, that one smacked of being a little bit too implausible and entirely convenient.

What about all the times the same thing was done in TOS and other shows?

I'm not giving a break to them either so bite your tongue. But hey, I just suck it up and deal with it every time a show or movie goes to 1/4 implause engines. -Engage 'Suspension of disbelief.'

 

[Cyke101]

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I'll say this for both nuTrek movies -- the cast and crew seemed to be *really* enthusiastic about making them. The vibrant colors, the behind the scenes footage, the geeky easter eggs (it's good to see the NX-01 on the big screen, even if she was tiny!), the sheer reverence to Nimoy, the epic scale of shots (Enterprise is always treated as a grand vessel, even compared to the behemoths Narada and Vengeance), etc.

Which to me greatly helps the final product. Compare to Insurrection, which was paint-by-numbers by TV standards, never mind the movies, and was pretty bland in virtually every aspect, as if the cast and crew were going through burnout. For the cast, it had already been 10+ years of playing the same characters. For the crew, they had to juggle between the film and two TV shows, and they started so soon after First Contact.

If the cast and crew can't be enthusastic about a product, they can't expect the audience to be enthusiastic, either. And so I appreciate Abrams and Co. approaching the franchise with gusto. Whether or not one likes the new movies, I think it's pretty evident that the cast and crew have been excited about it.

 

[Nerys Myk]

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Yes, the transwarp beaming was probably one of the most implausible moments in all of Trek. Beaming someone onboard a Starship that's been moving away from you at multiples of the speed of light in an unknown direction for several hours? Sure, and take some unicorns and Leprechauns with you while you're at it...Sure, it's all imagination but some things like communicators, replicators and phasers seem plausible in the modern era. For some reason however, that one smacked of being a little bit too implausible and entirely convenient.

What about all the times the same thing was done in TOS and other shows?

I'm not giving a break to them either so bite your tongue. But hey, I just suck it up and deal with it every time a show or movie goes to 1/4 implause engines. -Engage 'Suspension of disbelief.'

Then let's not single out the new films then. Star Trek is full of the implausible, transwarp beaming is a minor fault on the scale of things. It is also a "next step" technology in universe. So I don't get the gripe.

 

[Brie]

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I also hate that McCoy is underutilized. He seems to have taken a back to Uhura in this series. It's a shame too, because Urban's portrayal is the best of this cast, bar none. I really hope they intend to use him more in this next movie.

I completely agree! I though he captured the aspect of the character better than anyone else in the cast. The fact that he was such a minor character really got on my nerves. They needed to show him as a more important character, since he played such a large role in the TV show.

 

[BillJ]

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I also hate that McCoy is underutilized. He seems to have taken a back to Uhura in this series. It's a shame too, because Urban's portrayal is the best of this cast, bar none. I really hope they intend to use him more in this next movie.

I completely agree! I though he captured the aspect of the character better than anyone else in the cast. The fact that he was such a minor character really got on my nerves. They needed to show him as a more important character, since he played such a large role in the TV show.

I think Urban does a tremendous job as McCoy. But, I like that they are trying new dynamics. If I want the same exact recipe, I can just watch TOS.

 

[Cyke101]

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I also hate that McCoy is underutilized. He seems to have taken a back to Uhura in this series. It's a shame too, because Urban's portrayal is the best of this cast, bar none. I really hope they intend to use him more in this next movie.

I completely agree! I though he captured the aspect of the character better than anyone else in the cast. The fact that he was such a minor character really got on my nerves. They needed to show him as a more important character, since he played such a large role in the TV show.

I think Urban does a tremendous job as McCoy. But, I like that they are trying new dynamics. If I want the same exact recipe, I can just watch TOS.

I like new dynamics, too. I just want those dynamics to involve Bones

I really wanted McCoy to just unleash holy hell on Khan in the brig. It really wouldn't have added anything to the plot and there's a good chance that it would've slowed down the narrative, but it would've been indulgently satisfying. Of course, Kirk being Kirk, he had to rein in McCoy, no matter what universe they're in.

 

[Franklin]

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I also hate that McCoy is underutilized. He seems to have taken a back to Uhura in this series. It's a shame too, because Urban's portrayal is the best of this cast, bar none. I really hope they intend to use him more in this next movie.

I completely agree! I though he captured the aspect of the character better than anyone else in the cast. The fact that he was such a minor character really got on my nerves. They needed to show him as a more important character, since he played such a large role in the TV show.

I think Urban does a tremendous job as McCoy. But, I like that they are trying new dynamics. If I want the same exact recipe, I can just watch TOS.

Whether it was De in TOS and the movies, or Urban in the new movies, to me, McCoy is a scene stealer. Even if he's not getting the screen time Kirk and Spock are getting, the quality of that time is great. (And, it was great to see him working with Scotty outside the triad in TVH, too.)

I certainly hope we see more of him with Kirk and Spock in the next movie, but the problem in the first two is while he's obviously comfortable with Kirk, his relationship with Spock hadn't formed yet. Since the focus of the stories has been Kirk's and Spock's budding relationship, I think that has held back McCoy's screen time more than minutes simply taken away from him and given to Uhura.

My hope in this area would be that Pegg, being a fan, would like nothing more than to contribute his own memorable moments on screen using McCoy in the McCoy, Spock, and Kirk triad.

 

[Dales]

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yay for trek 2009. nay for into darkness

 

[M'Sharak]

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However, the alternate timeline somehow seems to negate the original series and all that has happened prior to the new timeline.

How so?

 

[Bry_Sinclair]

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I think Urban does a tremendous job as McCoy. But, I like that they are trying new dynamics. If I want the same exact recipe, I can just watch TOS.

It's a shame NuUhura isn't very 'dynamic' enough to pull it off.

 

[Kemaiku]

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Yay! for btoh new movies, their cast and the upcoming third movie.

 

[Nerys Myk]

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I think Urban does a tremendous job as McCoy. But, I like that they are trying new dynamics. If I want the same exact recipe, I can just watch TOS.

It's a shame NuUhura isn't very 'dynamic' enough to pull it off.

That seems to be a minority opinion.

 

[IrishNero]

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So I don't get the gripe.

So here's the wonderful thing about that. It's not for you to 'get.' I was just stating that it crossed a personal threshold for me in terms of plausibility. Not all 'gripes are up for debate. Sometimes they just are what they are, so now you needn't lose anymore sleep.

 

[IrishNero]

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However, the alternate timeline somehow seems to negate the original series and all that has happened prior to the new timeline.

How so?

That's an old post. I have changed my stance after seeing another post in another thread regarding this same subject. There is no negation as there is plenty of room for multiple realities to exist. It's Star Trek after all.