Agreed. It can always become better, as they've shown. 20 years from now, this movie will be called oldTrek and the New New Enterprise will be even better then the current one.
The "new" Enterprise
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Agreed. It can always become better, as they've shown. 20 years from now, this movie will be called oldTrek and the New New Enterprise will be even better then the current one.
The Modern Brewery is there to keep scotty supplied with scotch and guiness.
I tend to agree. The original of anything (Disneyland for example) almost always holds a special place in peoples hearts or memories but when it comes right down to it the newer, brighter, shinier version of anything (WaltDisneyWorld example again) is in fact better.
The whole water tube scene got me...I noticed the steel drums from the brewery, but that section of the ship reminded me more of a submarine - there were vertical structures in there that looked like missile tubes or something.
On the water tube part, apart from being quite funny, they called it the turbine room. Now...those turbines looked like something from a hydro-electric dam. Is the Enterprise generating electricity from an old fashioned boiler or something? Is the rest of the engineering crew shoveling coal on the lower decks?
The only positive side that I can see is that it makes the interior of the ship look more realistic to our time. Whether that's good or bad, I'm not sure. But it almost makes it look like something we could build now, except for the whole warp drive thing.
On the water tube part, apart from being quite funny, they called it the turbine room. Now...those turbines looked like something from a hydro-electric dam. Is the Enterprise generating electricity from an old fashioned boiler or something? Is the rest of the engineering crew shoveling coal on the lower decks?
The only positive side that I can see is that it makes the interior of the ship look more realistic to our time. Whether that's good or bad, I'm not sure. But it almost makes it look like something we could build now, except for the whole warp drive thing.
Abramsprise, or JJprise, or NuPrise, or whatever it's called, is Awesome, IMO!
I just picked up the Playmates starship today - and it's now up there as first equal with TMP refit Enterprise, as far as my favourite starship designs go.
I love the nacelles, the blue bussards, the primary hull, the forward deflector, etc... yessiree, it ticks all my boxes, in terms of what I love about Trek federation starships!
This starship is beautiful - and I consider myself quite hard to please, when it comes to federation starship designs that I like - so guess my surprise, when I beheld the Abramsprise in all her glory - it was like falling in love all over again!
IMO, the Abramsprise also wins hands down over the TOS enterprise. Don't misunderstand me either - I'm a big fan of the 1960s NCC1-1701 - however, I prefer the Abramsprise over it on almost every count.
Soooo happy and excited by this movie!!! I'm gonna go again, as I want to lap up every beautiful detail that is present in what is undoubtably the best movie I've seen all year!!!
I just picked up the Playmates starship today - and it's now up there as first equal with TMP refit Enterprise, as far as my favourite starship designs go.I love the nacelles, the blue bussards, the primary hull, the forward deflector, etc... yessiree, it ticks all my boxes, in terms of what I love about Trek federation starships!
This starship is beautiful - and I consider myself quite hard to please, when it comes to federation starship designs that I like - so guess my surprise, when I beheld the Abramsprise in all her glory - it was like falling in love all over again! IMO, the Abramsprise also wins hands down over the TOS enterprise. Don't misunderstand me either - I'm a big fan of the 1960s NCC1-1701 - however, I prefer the Abramsprise over it on almost every count.
Soooo happy and excited by this movie!!! I'm gonna go again, as I want to lap up every beautiful detail that is present in what is undoubtably the best movie I've seen all year!!!
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I like it..
Looks like a 60s speed boat. With cute curvy lines. I guess when CGI is available, CGI must be used.
The wallpaper of the nu1701 from the official site is my desktop on my netbook.
Looks like a 60s speed boat. With cute curvy lines. I guess when CGI is available, CGI must be used.
The wallpaper of the nu1701 from the official site is my desktop on my netbook.
At first I disliked the nuPrise, however after seeing the movie, I have to admit it's grown on me. Everything except engineering. It looks exactly like what it is, a redressed industrial plant. It does not look like the engine room aboard what a 23rd century starship. Even the engine room aboard a modern US Navy ship looks more streamlined. Where are the requirments for warp travel? Where's the matter/anti-matter reactor? Where are the plasma condiuts? Or are we to assume that the new Trek ships do not rely on this technology? If this movie is to be placed into cannon, even as a branching different timeline, wouldn't the engine room be a follow-up to the Warp 5 engine aboard the NX-01? And look somewhat like that?
This is my only gripe, because the science of Trek, is usually reasonably realistic. (aside from the random "lets invent some technology on the fly to solve a problem"). The rest of the movie was great.
This is my only gripe, because the science of Trek, is usually reasonably realistic. (aside from the random "lets invent some technology on the fly to solve a problem"). The rest of the movie was great.
You don't happen to know where ILM gave that number do you?
I like it generally (though it takes some getting used -like vista).
Though i disliked the refinery view of the ship ... i could understand a more open ship in the engineering section, but not such a big open ship? No containment or efficiency about it.
On another note, does anyone remember any shields actually stopping anything?
Though i disliked the refinery view of the ship ... i could understand a more open ship in the engineering section, but not such a big open ship? No containment or efficiency about it.
On another note, does anyone remember any shields actually stopping anything?
Abramsprise, or JJprise, or NuPrise, or whatever it's called, is Awesome, IMO!
I love the nacelles, the blue bussards, the primary hull, the forward deflector, etc... yessiree, it ticks all my boxes, in terms of what I love about Trek federation starships!
IMO, the Abramsprise also wins hands down over the TOS enterprise. Don't misunderstand me either - I'm a big fan of the 1960s NCC1-1701 - however, I prefer the Abramsprise over it on almost every count.
I agree that the Abramsprise came off much better in action on the big screen vs the stills circulated the past few months.
I was particularly put off by the disproportionate nacelles, with their bulbous fronts tapering down rearward, but in action, it looked fine, especially the surface detail and detail lighting on the nacelles.
What I like about the new 1701 is that most of the fundamental mechanical design issues of the TOS 1701 and the 1701-A have been resolved- nacelle struts that were way too flimsy, and a more substantial, structurally sound dorsal connecting the primary/secondary hulls. When your fancy,schmancy SIF and Inertial Dampers are down, you still have to rely on good old fashioned mechanical engineering- material properties and sound structural design minding fundamental forces, inertia, stress, strain, and strength of materials.
The other design updates I really liked were the real window bridge viewscreen, and the flat profile of the saucer top and bottom surfaces. I never understood the functional logic for the concave design of the bottom saucer surface of the TOS and TMP 1701's. All that did was drastically reduce the internal space and decks as you moved radially inward from the saucer OD.
re: blue nacelle caps- my interpretation is that the nacelle caps are full of water, which serves as the absorber/carrier of the interstellar hydrogen/deuterium collected in flight. This would explain the extensive water pipe system we saw in the film- used for cooling and/or as a carrier of deuterium.
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If you considered these design elements "issues" in the first place. Personally, I thought they made the ship seem graceful and elegant. The idea of the new shapes being any more "structurally strong" is laughable anyway. We're talking about massive g-forces here. And if it wasn't for the IDF and SIF then the ship wouldn't be moving at all. Unless you want the crew to be jelly on the aft walls that is. Just because they are a little beefier doesn't mean they would stand up to huge G-loads.
Speaking of structures that were way too flimsy . . . Didn't the thing actually crack during the movie? And besides, an actual window as your main viewer is next to useless when the "thing" that's out there is thousands of kilometers away. And don't talk about using the overlay to project pictures of far away objects. The overlay color is off and it's a bit out of focus. I'll keep the old fashioned high definition 3D viewer, thanks.
And let's not even talk about rationalizing Scotty-sized transparent water pipes. I'm just going to write off that painful scene as transporter-induced psychosis.
Somebody get that ship some viagra stat!
Somebody get that ship some viagra stat!
That's what you get when you attach the nacelles at their front ends. They should have done it more like the Ent-E's nacelles.
It doesnt seem like the nacelles droop quite as much in the movies as they do in that representation. Maybe just me.That's what you get when you attach the nacelles at their front ends. They should have done it more like the Ent-E's nacelles.
I like the new exterior. The interior, from a principle point of view, presents me with some problems. I don't mind the more industrial, pipes and functional approach, but it needs to be consistent (with the size of the ship, direction, etc.) and it needs to be sensible. I grew up around grain silos... it was strange watching them chase Kirk through them.
Concrete floors - not a fan. Huge, inspecific engineering section that I had a hard time reconciling with the avaliable internal space on the ship is not my preference.
Direction: This is admittedly a nitpick, but when Robau comes DOWN a long elevator shaft into the engineering section/flight deck from the bridge which is actually below him in the saucer section, I was a little miffed. It's not a huge deal, and most people wouldnt care, but ever since I was a lad I've loved starships of any flavor, and especially where the little details are payed attention to. Small thing, but I appreciate when directors pay attention to that kind of thing. (like in LOTR where Jackson had every scene of Frodo and Sam progressing from left to right.)
Corridors were cool. Bridge was ok, but a little too busy. Never been a fan of all that glass work - and anyone that has to work on computer screens a lot can tell you that dealing with that amny light sources means lots of glare. I'd prefer a more military-derived approach to a command and control hub. I'm a weirdo that like the later Ent-A /Ent-B approach and really appreciated the Ent-E design all around for the interiors.
The exterior has grown on me - not the way I would have gone, but I can surely live with it.
As for the Brewery, well here's my plan. Kurtzman and Orci and possibly Abrams will likely be at Comic-Con and other conventions between now and the start of principal photography for the sequel. If we all agree to ask them "So, about the Brewery on the Enterprise..." at least once per appearance, I'm betting the next movie will feature a major refit of Engineering.
As for the Brewery, well here's my plan. Kurtzman and Orci and possibly Abrams will likely be at Comic-Con and other conventions between now and the start of principal photography for the sequel. If we all agree to ask them "So, about the Brewery on the Enterprise..." at least once per appearance, I'm betting the next movie will feature a major refit of Engineering.
The new enterprise is UGLY!!!
whats up with the bridge man? how the hell can u understand whats going on with all them blinding blinking lights?
It looks a little like the enterprise C.
THis whole hip/cool mode of the enterprise makes me sick. Damn u abrams...damn u...
whats up with the bridge man? how the hell can u understand whats going on with all them blinding blinking lights?
It looks a little like the enterprise C.
THis whole hip/cool mode of the enterprise makes me sick. Damn u abrams...damn u...
Well those "Brewery" parts could have been the deuterium slush tanks which do kinda look like fermenting tanks... the water tubes could be used to not only cool some of the parts and provide a waste transport, so it can be easily expelled in space. Plus i'm sure it also provides the ship with potable drinking water. I always wondered how they were able to have ample water for the crew on board a starship like the Enteprise during a "5 year mission" and be away from a starbase for months at a crack. And this is pre-replicator days too. No real water in space.
But even nuclear reactors use water in the process, so hey... I thought it was entirely plausible and was funny to boot. That's one thing modern trek missed was the 'accidental' humor and fun, they forced it too much. I'm sorry but Picard and Data playing in a dune buggy wasn't really 'funny'
But even nuclear reactors use water in the process, so hey... I thought it was entirely plausible and was funny to boot. That's one thing modern trek missed was the 'accidental' humor and fun, they forced it too much. I'm sorry but Picard and Data playing in a dune buggy wasn't really 'funny'
The only real problem I had with engineering has the lack of an engineering control room. I could buy what I saw as the bowels of engineering.
We saw no "shields" as they have been depicted in the TV shows. If anything, the shields only block phasers. Missles seem to tear up the hulls of any ship they hit.
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