The Most Disliked Episode of VOY, 2023 Edition - Season 5...

[Oddish]

No, not Neelix torturing prisoners by trying to be friendly, but exploring the opposite of promotion because a crewmember dared to Maquis it up

Only downside is Harry didn't get Tom's pip. That would have been funny awkward.

Saving "In the Flesh", because while it took 8472 off the table sooner than we'd have liked, it had a nice theme on how misunderstandings and fear can cause tragedies, and sometimes trust is the only way to prevent it. We saw the same in DS9's "The Ship".

"LATENT IMAGE"
"GRAVITY"
"THE DISEASE"
"THE FIGHT"
"JUGGERNAUT"
"RELATIVITY"
"WARHEAD"

 

[Brennyren]

I know someone here hates it but I'm saving Counterpoint

Yeah, that's me. Actually, I think it's a very watchable episode, twisty and well-paced. I just can't stand that Janeway is attracted to a fascist bully-boy.

Saving "Gravity" for the Tuvok backstory. (He's so underused! And Russ is good at what he does!) And also for Paris meaning well, even if he's a bit clueless about it.

"LATENT IMAGE"
"THE DISEASE"
"THE FIGHT"
"JUGGERNAUT"
"RELATIVITY"
"WARHEAD"

 

[Sakonna]

"Relativity" is an incredibly good time. So much fun with time travel.

"LATENT IMAGE"
"THE DISEASE"
"THE FIGHT"
"JUGGERNAUT"
"WARHEAD"

 

[Farscape One]

Saving "WARHEAD".

Always a treat when Robert Picardo is showcased. And Harry Kim got some needed spotlight, too.

Plus, the concept of an intelligent weapon was cool.



"LATENT IMAGE"
"THE DISEASE"
"THE FIGHT"
"JUGGERNAUT"

 

[Oddish]

Latent Image makes Janeway inconsistent as hell, because she overrides organics Tuvix and B'Elanna in the interest of the good of the ship, but she puts the whole ship at risk because the EMH gets whiny about a few memories.

That being said, it's got a great mystery plot, and it is at least trying to tackle a serious issue. So even if I don't agree with Janeway's decision, it's still way too good an episode to be on this list.

"THE DISEASE"
"THE FIGHT"
"JUGGERNAUT"

 

[Seven of Five]

Juggernaught is average. but Roxann Dawson lifts the material a lot.

"THE DISEASE"
"THE FIGHT"

 

[Farscape One]

These are bad episodes. I'm torn.

I'm going to save "THE DISEASE" for a pretty superficial reason... Musetta Vander is hot. I've seen her on HIGHLANDER: THE SERIES, BABYLON 5, STARGATE SG-1... very easy on the eyes.

"THE FIGHT" had an interesting concept with Chaotic Space, but it was just so badly executed that the episode just comes off as incoherent. So it wins season 5.

Fun fact: these two episodes have both won two previous season 5 games each. Clearly, they are very disliked among people.

I will start season 6 sometime before noon. Hope to see you all there.

Thank you all for playing.

 

[Phaser Two]

These are bad episodes. I'm torn.

I'm going to save "THE DISEASE" [. . . ]

Fun fact: these two episodes have both won two previous season 5 games each. Clearly, they are very disliked among people.

Thanks for doing this. Season 5 is, for me, by far the strongest season, so I'm okay that I wasn't around today (these threads move fast!) and missed this. Once "Course: Oblivion" and "Timeless" were saved - in the first two selections, no less - any agenda I had was irrelevant.

What you write above is amazing as to "The Disease." I suspect it speaks to S5 being the best season, but maybe it's also dislike of Harry or something, but honestly . . . it's a terrific episode. Wang does a great - not good, but great - job acting, and the one-shot or two-shot where he continues his verbal battle with Janeway from conference room to bridge to ready room is an awesome directorial flourish. I don't really mind "The Fight" either, although it was a little silly, but if it had to be sacrificed to keep "The Disease" from earning dishonor, so be it.

 

[Qonundrum]

These are bad episodes. I'm torn.

I'm going to save "THE DISEASE" for a pretty superficial reason... Musetta Vander is hot. I've seen her on HIGHLANDER: THE SERIES, BABYLON 5, STARGATE SG-1... very easy on the eyes.

"THE FIGHT" had an interesting concept with Chaotic Space, but it was just so badly executed that the episode just comes off as incoherent. So it wins season 5.

Fun fact: these two episodes have both won two previous season 5 games each. Clearly, they are very disliked among people.

I will start season 6 sometime before noon. Hope to see you all there.

Thank you all for playing.

She could set me straight as well, but that is one episode that I can DIS with EASE.

In the honorable Trek tradition of attempting to discuss directly an issue of sexual nature, they've never really been able to do it right. The hoops and hurdles for Harry's biohooblywhatsit are ridiculous and unnecessary, even by 1999's standards. And yet, the following scene is otherwise by far the most direct Trek ever got to tackling the issue:

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As overly contrived as Harry's situation was, that clip is easily the best scene of the entire story, with terrific acting...

Also, in Trekland everyone says even the common cold is curable and otherwise - up to this VOY escapade - pretended anything cooties-related were wiped out as nobody talks of them... and as Kirk and Riker were going at it with something like half the universe and the only adverse result was how Riker only got mind-controlled, by pure happenstance and using one of the toys given to him that wasn't of an oinky way, so................. (oh look, dots! )

 

[Oddish]

I'm going to save "THE DISEASE" for a pretty superficial reason... Musetta Vander is hot.

Can't disagree with that. And the episode still makes the finals. I think that makes four Harry Kim episodes out of five to do so. Number five was 4th.

What you write above is amazing as to "The Disease." I suspect it speaks to S5 being the best season, but maybe it's also dislike of Harry or something, but honestly . . . it's a terrific episode.

My chief issue with it is that Harry was demonstrably under alien influence... but Janeway still dropped a punishment on his head that could potentially ruin his Starfleet career, especially compounded with his 7 years as an ensign. Get rid of that, and the B-story, with the people on the xenophobic generational ship wanting out... no, it's not too bad.

In the honorable Trek tradition of attempting to discuss directly an issue of sexual nature, they've never really been able to do it right. The hoops and hurdles for Harry's biohooblywhatsit are ridiculous and unnecessary, even by 1999's

What's dumb is they've never had this rule before, even while Riker banged half the Quadrant, even when Tom got mind-raped for a murder he didn't commit... but the "must suffer" character gets hammered.

... and as Kirk and Riker were going at it with something like half the universe and the only adverse result was how Riker only got mind-controlled, by pure happenstance

Along with 1011 of the 1013 other people on the ship. And it was only because Wes had the good sense to have a second string on his bow (i.e. Data) that it didn't spread much further.

 

[Sakonna]

I actually think "The Disease" has some interesting things going on. I don't mind it. Some of Garrett Wang's best acting of the series (though that's a low bar).

"The Fight" is an atrocity. What an utter trainwreck. You can tell they tortured it to death in post, playing with the timeline to try to make it into something, and instead it's just incoherent.

It was fascinating to learn on the Delta Flyers that Robert Beltran actually requested a boxing episode for Chakotay, then refused to take his shirt off for it. He was on there telling the story, in a "how unreasonable were the producers being?" way, but he came off like a complete nightmare who deserved to be fired (something I've thought about a lot of Beltran set stories I've heard over the years).

 

[Farscape One]

Thanks for doing this. Season 5 is, for me, by far the strongest season, so I'm okay that I wasn't around today (these threads move fast!) and missed this. Once "Course: Oblivion" and "Timeless" were saved - in the first two selections, no less - any agenda I had was irrelevant.

What you write above is amazing as to "The Disease." I suspect it speaks to S5 being the best season, but maybe it's also dislike of Harry or something, but honestly . . . it's a terrific episode. Wang does a great - not good, but great - job acting, and the one-shot or two-shot where he continues his verbal battle with Janeway from conference room to bridge to ready room is an awesome directorial flourish. I don't really mind "The Fight" either, although it was a little silly, but if it had to be sacrificed to keep "The Disease" from earning dishonor, so be it.

You're welcome! These games are always a lot of fun. It's something I look forward to every time it's the season for it.

I am not sure if it's a dislike of Harry or not, but episodes centered on him or Chakotay seem to get the short end of the stick fairly often. I know the writing for some of their episodes, in later seasons particularly, seemed lackluster. I do agree with you about that directing from the Bridge to her Ready Room... David Livingston was a fantastic director. (He did 62 episodes in the franchise... the most of anyone. The closest person was Winrich Kolbe, with 50.)

She could set me straight as well, but that is one episode that I can DIS with EASE.

In the honorable Trek tradition of attempting to discuss directly an issue of sexual nature, they've never really been able to do it right. The hoops and hurdles for Harry's biohooblywhatsit are ridiculous and unnecessary, even by 1999's standards. And yet, the following scene is otherwise by far the most direct Trek ever got to tackling the issue:

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As overly contrived as Harry's situation was, that clip is easily the best scene of the entire story, with terrific acting...

Also, in Trekland everyone says even the common cold is curable and otherwise - up to this VOY escapade - pretended anything cooties-related were wiped out as nobody talks of them... and as Kirk and Riker were going at it with something like half the universe and the only adverse result was how Riker only got mind-controlled, by pure happenstance and using one of the toys given to him that wasn't of an oinky way, so................. (oh look, dots! )

You can DIS with EASE!

Love the pun!

 

[Oddish]

Given what a pain Beltran reportedly was, it's arguably too bad the producers didn't have the guts to dump him, the way he reportedly wanted them to. They could have kept Kes around, and Beautiful Person Harry as well.

 

[Sakonna]

Given what a pain Beltran reportedly was, it's arguably too bad the producers didn't have the guts to dump him, the way he reportedly wanted them to. They could have kept Kes around, and Beautiful Person Harry as well.

I know. The more I learn about the behind the scenes on Voyager, the more disgusted I am.

Chakotay had so much less to offer than Kes did. But the middle-aged man is allowed to be an unprofessional nightmare, that's totally fine, no need to do anything about that. So gross.

 

[Oddish]

Once the persons of limited intellect who ran the show decided that...
1. The Maquis were going to be good little Starfleet,
2. There would be no Janeway/Chakotay romance,
3. Janeway couldn't have any significant weaknesses for Chakotay to compensate for, and
4. Character development was a sin unless you either didn't have a name or were named after a number...

...the character of Chakotay became pretty much useless anyway.

And he wasn't even an actual Native American.