The Most Disliked Episode of TNG - Season 2...

Discussion in 'Star Trek: The Next Generation' started by Farscape One, Aug 4, 2019.

  1. Farscape One

    Farscape One Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    This is a twist on a game that is played here, which I thoroughly enjoyed. I am very curious to see the results.

    Here's the game. The basic idea is your standard elimination game. I'll provide a list of the episodes for each season and you need to eliminate your most favorite or the one you deem the 'best.' Please provide an EXPLANATION for why you are eliminating your choice and be sure to copy and paste the list with your choice removed. Finally, leave at least 2 eliminations by other posters before you eliminate another episode.

    No tactical voting! You cannot remove an episode because you feel they would threaten your preferred episode's chance to win. Pretty simple. Enjoy!

    Hall of Champions (or Failures?)
    2011 - "Shades Of Gray"
    2018 - "The Outrageous Okona"
    2019 - "Code of Honor"

    Season Two -

    The Child
    Where Silence Has Lease
    Elementary, Dear Data
    The Outrageous Okona
    Loud As A Whisper
    The Schizoid Man
    Unnatural Selection
    A Matter Of Honor
    The Measure Of A Man
    The Dauphin
    Contagion
    The Royale
    Time Squared
    The Icarus Factor
    Pen Pals
    Q Who
    Samaritan Snare
    Up The Long Ladder
    Manhunt
    The Emissary
    Peak Performance
    Shades Of Gray
     
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  2. Armus

    Armus Commodore Commodore

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    Q Who may be the purest science fiction that TNG ever did. Q, The Borg, directed by Rob Bowman with music by Ron Jones. I'd argue that TNG never was better.



    The Child
    Where Silence Has Lease
    Elementary, Dear Data
    The Outrageous Okona
    Loud As A Whisper
    The Schizoid Man
    Unnatural Selection
    A Matter Of Honor
    The Measure Of A Man
    The Dauphin
    Contagion
    The Royale
    Time Squared
    The Icarus Factor
    Pen Pals

    Samaritan Snare
    Up The Long Ladder
    Manhunt
    The Emissary
    Peak Performance
    Shades Of Gray
     
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  3. Starflight

    Starflight Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Time Squared is awesome, it's one of the episodes that best expresses season 2's unique creepiness and sense of dread and isolation. I like that they dared to leave the ending of the final script so ambiguous as to what had actually occurred, and Picard's suggestion that the vortex was alive and intentionally causing the time loop to try and rescue the crew is fascinating.

    The Child
    Where Silence Has Lease
    Elementary, Dear Data
    The Outrageous Okona
    Loud As A Whisper
    The Schizoid Man
    Unnatural Selection
    A Matter Of Honor
    The Measure Of A Man
    The Dauphin
    Contagion
    The Royale
    The Icarus Factor
    Pen Pals
    Samaritan Snare
    Up The Long Ladder
    Manhunt
    The Emissary
    Peak Performance
    Shades Of Gray
     
  4. Sakonna

    Sakonna Commodore Commodore

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    I'm pretty high on "Peak Performance" lately. It's a great mix of high & low stakes and the cast is so well-used.

    The Child
    Where Silence Has Lease
    Elementary, Dear Data
    The Outrageous Okona
    Loud As A Whisper
    The Schizoid Man
    Unnatural Selection
    A Matter Of Honor
    The Measure Of A Man
    The Dauphin
    Contagion
    The Royale
    The Icarus Factor
    Pen Pals
    Samaritan Snare
    Up The Long Ladder
    Manhunt
    The Emissary
    Shades Of Gray
     
  5. Armus

    Armus Commodore Commodore

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    A Matter of Honor is a matter of awesomeness. The best Klingon show that Ron Moore never wrote.

    The Child
    Where Silence Has Lease
    Elementary, Dear Data
    The Outrageous Okona
    Loud As A Whisper
    The Schizoid Man
    Unnatural Selection

    The Measure Of A Man
    The Dauphin
    Contagion
    The Royale
    The Icarus Factor
    Pen Pals
    Samaritan Snare
    Up The Long Ladder
    Manhunt
    The Emissary
    Shades Of Gray
     
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  6. Farscape One

    Farscape One Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Both of those episodes were ones I would have picked first. But I have another top pick for this season.

    "Peak Performance" is an excellent episode, written by David Kemper, who was one of the biggest creative forces of FARSCAPE. Great character work, and nice ensemble use.

    The Child
    Where Silence Has Lease
    Elementary, Dear Data
    The Outrageous Okona
    Loud As A Whisper
    The Schizoid Man
    Unnatural Selection
    A Matter Of Honor
    The Measure Of A Man
    The Dauphin
    Contagion
    The Royale
    The Icarus Factor
    Pen Pals
    Samaritan Snare
    Up The Long Ladder
    Manhunt
    The Emissary
    Shades Of Gray
     
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  7. gakelly

    gakelly Commander Red Shirt

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    Even though it is super cheesy and the casino action is about as unrealistic as possibe, you gotta love that gambler from Lubbock, TX and his attempt to hook up with that woman who is losing her "shirt."
    The Royale is eliminated.

    The Child
    Where Silence Has Lease
    Elementary, Dear Data
    The Outrageous Okona
    Loud As A Whisper
    The Schizoid Man
    Unnatural Selection
    The Measure Of A Man
    The Dauphin
    Contagion

    The Icarus Factor
    Pen Pals
    Samaritan Snare
    Up The Long Ladder
    Manhunt
    The Emissary
    Shades Of Gray
     
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  8. BigDaveX

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    Contagion provides one of the most memorable teasers in the entire franchise, and the remainder of the episode delivers on it in spades.

    The Child
    Where Silence Has Lease
    Elementary, Dear Data
    The Outrageous Okona
    Loud As A Whisper
    The Schizoid Man
    Unnatural Selection
    The Measure Of A Man
    The Dauphin
    The Icarus Factor
    Pen Pals
    Samaritan Snare
    Up The Long Ladder
    Manhunt
    The Emissary
    Shades Of Gray
     
  9. Seven of Five

    Seven of Five Watch out HYDRA - here we come! Premium Member

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    The Measure of a Man is one of my favourite episodes of TNG, so I'm saving it.

    The Child
    Where Silence Has Lease
    Elementary, Dear Data
    The Outrageous Okona
    Loud As A Whisper
    The Schizoid Man
    Unnatural Selection
    The Dauphin
    The Icarus Factor
    Pen Pals
    Samaritan Snare
    Up The Long Ladder
    Manhunt
    The Emissary
    Shades Of Gray
     
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  10. Sakonna

    Sakonna Commodore Commodore

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    The magical transporter ending is hella weak, but "Unnatural Selection" is lately my most revisited season 2 ep. Great Pulaski showcase. The lonely-research-outpost vibe is enticing.

    The Child
    Where Silence Has Lease
    Elementary, Dear Data
    The Outrageous Okona
    Loud As A Whisper
    The Schizoid Man
    The Dauphin
    The Icarus Factor
    Pen Pals
    Samaritan Snare
    Up The Long Ladder
    Manhunt
    The Emissary
    Shades Of Gray
     
  11. Brennyren

    Brennyren Commodore Commodore

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    "The Emissary" introduced K'Ehleyr, one of my favorite TNG guests.

    The Child
    Where Silence Has Lease
    Elementary, Dear Data
    The Outrageous Okona
    Loud As A Whisper
    The Schizoid Man
    The Dauphin
    The Icarus Factor
    Pen Pals
    Samaritan Snare
    Up The Long Ladder
    Manhunt
    Shades Of Gray
     
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  12. Farscape One

    Farscape One Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I've always had a soft spot for "Where Silence Has Lease". A lot of creepy elements, and Nagilum is interesting and different.

    The Child
    Elementary, Dear Data
    The Outrageous Okona
    Loud As A Whisper
    The Schizoid Man
    The Dauphin
    The Icarus Factor
    Pen Pals
    Samaritan Snare
    Up The Long Ladder
    Manhunt
    Shades Of Gray
     
  13. Armus

    Armus Commodore Commodore

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    The Schizoid Man has some of Data's funniest lines. Great guest stars. I liked Ira Graves and Suzie Plakson's comely Vulcan doctor.

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    The Child
    Elementary, Dear Data
    Outrageous Okona
    Loud As A Whisper

    The Dauphin
    The Icarus Factor
    Pen Pals
    Samaritan Snare
    Up The Long Ladder
    Manhunt
     
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  14. Farscape One

    Farscape One Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I would have liked to see Dr. Selar appear now and again...
     
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  15. Starflight

    Starflight Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Controversial perhaps but I'll save Manhunt because I really like Lwaxana, even though she's unpleasantly creepy in this episode, and the excuse of "lol she's in heat" doesn't really make it any better. Plus, Picard being forced into awkward social situations always gives him a bit of extra character depth that TNG generally lacks (see also: everyone roasting him over his horse riding in Starship Mine and his constant cringe-fest when visiting Risa).

    On top of that, Lwaxana episodes always give Troi some character moments to work with too, and Troi's character gets focus all too infrequently in TNG.

    Also, Mick Fleetwood is a fish. Worf finds this fish attractive. What more do you want out of Star Trek?

    The Child
    Elementary, Dear Data
    Outrageous Okona
    Loud As A Whisper
    The Dauphin
    The Icarus Factor
    Pen Pals
    Samaritan Snare
    Up The Long Ladder
     
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  16. Farscape One

    Farscape One Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I was going to save that episode just for the scene with Picard trying to get the holodeck violence right. I always laugh hard with the last one with tommy gun and Picard backing up against the wall.
     
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  17. BigDaveX

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    Elementary Dear Data, for the good realisation of Victorian London and having a great villain in Moriarty.

    (Also putting back Shades of Gray, which seems to have been accidentally removed a few posts ago)

    The Child
    The Outrageous Okona
    Loud As A Whisper
    The Schizoid Man
    The Dauphin
    The Icarus Factor
    Pen Pals
    Samaritan Snare
    Up The Long Ladder
    Shades Of Gray
     
  18. Farscape One

    Farscape One Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Taking out "The Schizoid Man" since it was eliminated by Armus.

    My next choice is "Loud As A Whisper". I thought the idea of Riva was unique, and Troi got some good scenes, particularly when she was trying to convince Riva to go back.

    The Child
    The Outrageous Okona
    The Dauphin
    The Icarus Factor
    Pen Pals
    Samaritan Snare
    Up The Long Ladder
    Shades Of Gray
     
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  19. Seven of Five

    Seven of Five Watch out HYDRA - here we come! Premium Member

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    I'll save Pen Pals next. It has a great design for the alien, and I love Data's dialogue with the girl.

    The Child
    The Outrageous Okona
    .
    The Dauphin
    The Icarus Factor
    Samaritan Snare
    Up The Long Ladder
    Shades Of Gray
     
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  20. BigDaveX

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    Samaritan Snare provides some good character development for Picard that "Tapestry" would later run with, and the idea of the Pakleds managing to dupe and scam the Enterprise crew is a good one, even if the execution could have been better.

    The Child
    The Outrageous Okona
    .
    The Dauphin
    The Icarus Factor
    Up The Long Ladder
    Shades Of Gray