Hi. I had a question about the DS9 Millenium Trilogy novels. Are there any books out there that are compatible (or mostly compatible) with the alternate future described therein?
The Millenium Trilogy and compatible novels
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Not that I know of. I don't think anyone's written books set in a timeline where DS9 was destroyed a year before the end of the Dominion War. Maybe some fifth- through seventh-season Voyager novel that didn't mention events in the Alpha Quadrant could be assumed to be compatible with it due to lack of evidence to the contrary, but that's kind of splitting hairs.
Okay. I was hoping there'd be something out there that was compatible with the trilogy's basic timeline, if not in terms of its specific events (i.e. the destruction of DS9 and the 'War of the Prophets') then in terms of the setting/layout of things as presented in the epilogue of the trilogy's final book, Inferno, but it doesn't sound like there has been.
Another question: are there any novels or stories out there besides the officially recognized Trek Lit Mirror Universe stuff and the 'Shatnerverse' books that could be grouped together into a basic consistent AU timeline/continuity?
Another question: are there any novels or stories out there besides the officially recognized Trek Lit Mirror Universe stuff and the 'Shatnerverse' books that could be grouped together into a basic consistent AU timeline/continuity?
Unless you're super anal about the details, I think the epilogue of "Inferno" fits with the post-series DS9 novels.
Only in as much as Trek makes up one gigantic broad strokes universe, where elements such as Kirk's academy years can be swapped out between MJF's "My Brother's Keeper" trilogy, Shatner's "Collision Course" and the old DC comic without it really mattering to the overall Trek tapestry.
Given that one of the major themes of Millennium is how the Celestial Temple exists outside of time and can intersect with multiple timelines, I don't think there's any problem with making it compatible, even if the details don't add up. 
If it's really troubling you, then the Nasat invites you to join his Star Trek Instrumentality Project
(The Deranged Nasat previously tried to combat continuity failings by raging, frothing and threatening brutal violence with his axe. However, this short-sighted approach failed to prevent various continuities branching out and splitting off from one another. Now we have the Prime Verse, the Abrams Verse, Star Trek Online, the Shatnerverse, Crucible, etc. Each of them alone. Isolated. Crippled by their inability to truly integrate. It's tragic. The Nasat must combat this, and thus has changed his tactic. The Star Trek Instrumentality Project will collapse all barriers between distinct continuities, bringing about the reintegration of all Trek).
If it's really troubling you, then the Nasat invites you to join his Star Trek Instrumentality Project
(The Deranged Nasat previously tried to combat continuity failings by raging, frothing and threatening brutal violence with his axe. However, this short-sighted approach failed to prevent various continuities branching out and splitting off from one another. Now we have the Prime Verse, the Abrams Verse, Star Trek Online, the Shatnerverse, Crucible, etc. Each of them alone. Isolated. Crippled by their inability to truly integrate. It's tragic. The Nasat must combat this, and thus has changed his tactic. The Star Trek Instrumentality Project will collapse all barriers between distinct continuities, bringing about the reintegration of all Trek).
^That sounds suspiciously like what Trelane was trying to do in "Q-Squared"
I'm kind of in the mood for AU stories right now, and was hoping to find or be able to create for myself an AU reading list akin o the primary-continuity Trek Lit universe as outlined in TurtleTrekker's 'Charting the Novelverse' thread. Since DS9 happens to be one of my favorite series and the Millennium Trilogy wad brought up in another recent thread, I thought it might be a good place to start in trying to find or put together the kind of list I was looking for, but since that doesn't sound like an option, I'm interested in seeing if there's stuff from other series that would fit the bill.
^That sounds suspiciously like what Trelane was trying to do in "Q-Squared"
Thank you, that's what I was thinking of when I first read it in DN's location field.
No doubt either Q, Q or Q (not to forget Q of course) would step in and stop Instrumentality.
Not forgetting the DTI.
Also several red orbs are shown at the end of Soul Key so there might be one or two aspects of the aborted Millennium continuum leaking into the Prime universe...
I'm sorry, I don't understand what you're asking. As far as I know, nothing in the epilogue of Inferno is fundamentally incompatible with the timeline of the post-finale DS9 novel series, at least not if one interprets the epilogue a bit flexibly.
That's really a question for each individual reader to decide for oneself, I think. Different people have different ideas of what's compatible and what isn't. And it's a lot more fun to use your imagination and build your own timelines than just to let someone else tell you what to think.
Although one could make a case for the '80s novel continuity that was developing for a while until TNG's emergence put the kibosh on it. The books weren't entirely consistent with each other, but they increasingly referenced each other and built on each other's characters and ideas. That continuity is discussed in the thread The Continuity of Days Gone By, in which I did my best to assemble a comprehensive list of the works that mutually tied into that continuity and give a rough chronological ordering for them.
And of course there are the distinct continuities of various Trek comic book series.
Other than the specifically marked stuff (Myriad Universes, Mirror Universe, Shatnerverse, and the Abramsverse Academy series) the vast majority of stuff takes place in a consistent continuity, which I generally refer to as the Novelverse. Other than a the Cruicible trilogy and maybe one or two other stand alones, the majority of stuff published since the beginning the DS9 Relaunch can be fitted into the Novelverse.
I was under the impression that the Epilogue of Inferno was incompatible with the dating and events of Unity because the former (Inferno) establishes that, although his second child has been born, Sisko has still not returned from the Celestial Temple as of 2377, whereas the latter (Unity) establishes that he returns from the Celestial Temple for the birth of his second child in 2376.
Thanks for the link to that thread, Christopher; I'm not that big a fan of the TOS era, but it's at least a start (if I can find the books in question).
This. And what Christopher said about flexibility in interpreting said prologue. EDIT: IIRC, the epilogue is a little fuzzy about its own dating. Furthermore, it definitely does not explicitly say that Sisko has not returned from the wormhole. So, if you want, you can read it as referring to Sisko temporarily being off-planet.
But as for the War of the Prophets timeline, have you checked out the video game, Star Trek: Deep Space Nine: The Fallen? I understand that it is related to Millenium, though I'm not sure it's in that particular timeline.
You could always write your own stories in that timeline.
Just don't post them in the TrekLit forum, of course! Send it over to FanFic. I'd love to read what you come up with.
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Here's what the Grigari looked like in The Fallen:
I wonder if it could work for Sisko's status as of Rough Beasts of Empire, though the child would be several years old by then and I'm not sure that's compatible.
KingDaniel: I'm reminded of General Grievous from Star Wars.
Do the Grigari cough and splutter pathetically as they advance?
Do the Grigari cough and splutter pathetically as they advance?
Thanks for referencing that thread. I found it very interesting. I read most of those books back in the day. I must be in a nostalgic mood--I want to read them again now.
KingDaniel: I'm reminded of General Grievous from Star Wars.
Do the Grigari cough and splutter pathetically as they advance?
I don't know! I've never seen them in motion. That's a pic I found while googling. I have got the game, and tried it a few months ago, but it's quite dated. And, seeing Sisko and Worf trying to emulate Lara Croft with running, jumping and rolling, and dangling nuKirk style over ledges, just seems silly.
And, now I'm gonna think of General Grievous whenever I hear of the Grigari. I used to think of Maximilian, the evil robot from Disney's Black Hole...
Given that one of the major themes of Millennium is how the Celestial Temple exists outside of time and can intersect with multiple timelines, I don't think there's any problem with making it compatible, even if the details don't add up.
If it's really troubling you, then the Nasat invites you to join his Star Trek Instrumentality Project
^That sounds suspiciously like what Trelane was trying to do in "Q-Squared"
It also sounds like the process may involve turning people into tang.
In other words...I love you....
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