Ahh, okay. Turns out the lyrics were written by Randy Rogel (music by Richard Stone). Rogel was also the writer of the classic Batman: The Animated Series 2-parters "Two-Face" and "Robin's Reckoning" (among others).
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Weee-eeelll...unless you believe in multiverse theory. But it's all mindboggling enough as it is.
For that matter, why doesn't everyone listen to Sisko's dad, who once wisely pointed out that in a galaxy so unbelievably vast, why do people get into wars? Can't they just, you know, avoid people they don't like?
I was trying to keep things simple. The Universe is something we can at least observe. Alternate universes are nothing but conjecture.
Well, the Xindi is kind of a good point, seeing as how they do become members of the Federation.
Yes indeed, Animaniacs - great show.
And out of 150 species that are part of the Federation (only ones we know of that are part of it), just how many were featured/mentioned on screen during TOS, TNG, DS9 and VOY?
I would say the numbers ranged well below 100.
I would argue that just because the heroes hadn't 'run into' the Xindi in the 24th century, doesn't mean other Federation ships hadn't (Voyager couldn't because it was in the DQ).
Yeah, Daniels told Archer that while in a future timeline, on board the Enterprise-J.
Actually no.
Daniels brought Archer into the alternate 26th century future where the Xindy were part of the Federation.
He deliberately showed him this time frame in order to allude just how critical is it to solve the Xindi issue in his time period and how dangerous the sphere builders were.
There was no reference to when the Xindi joined the Federation.
They could have joined in the 23rd century for all we know, or sometime in the 24th (early, mid or late).
In the Pocket Books novel continuity, there's a Xindi Reptilian in the Federation cabinet in 2363, and New Xindus is a member of the UFP by that time.
Yes, or better, "interstellar." It's a major pet peeve of mine too, the way people use "intergalactic" for anything in outer space regardless of scale.
I think it was the TV listings' description of Total Recall that described it as a tale of intergalactic intrigue. Even though it just takes place on Earth and Mars. That's like crossing the street and calling it intercontinental travel.
But there sadly are quite a lot of people out there who don't understand what galaxies are or what scale they exist on. I remember an art book I read once, a bunch of space art pieces with a tenuous plot linking them together in text passages; there was a part of it where the narrator said she was two light-years from Earth, just a few galaxies away. Unhhhhhh...
Yes, or better, "interstellar." It's a major pet peeve of mine too, the way people use "intergalactic" for anything in outer space regardless of scale.
I think it was the TV listings' description of Total Recall that described it as a tale of intergalactic intrigue. Even though it just takes place on Earth and Mars. That's like crossing the street and calling it intercontinental travel.
But there sadly are quite a lot of people out there who don't understand what galaxies are or what scale they exist on. I remember an art book I read once, a bunch of space art pieces with a tenuous plot linking them together in text passages; there was a part of it where the narrator said she was two light-years from Earth, just a few galaxies away. Unhhhhhh...
Here's a way to get a sense of the size and distances of galaxies.
Let's say the Milky Way which is about 100,000
lightyears in diameter is the size of a 12-inch pizza. The Federation is said to stretch across 8000 lys so on that 12-inch pizza it'd be about the size of a 1 inch piece of sausage or meatball located midway between the center and outer edge of the pizza.
The Andromeda galaxy is 2.5 million ly away from the Milky Way so it would be a 16-inch pizza 25 feet away. The Magellanic Clouds are a couple of smaller irregular galaxies that are closer so they'd be kinda like a couple of buffalo wings located 1.5 to 2 feet away from our 12-inch Milky Way pizza.
The Pinwleel galaxy is a bigger galaxy that is much further away so it'd be a 20-imch pizza 210 feet away from our home galaxy pizza. So yes, the Pinwheel galaxy is not just outside the Galactic Barrier crust of our galaxy pizza, it's about three houses down the steet from my house where the Milky Way pizza is sitting in my kitchen.
Ok, ok so I'm hungry, guess I'd better sign off and dig in.
Robert
Let's say the Milky Way which is about 100,000
lightyears in diameter is the size of a 12-inch pizza. The Federation is said to stretch across 8000 lys so on that 12-inch pizza it'd be about the size of a 1 inch piece of sausage or meatball located midway between the center and outer edge of the pizza.
The Andromeda galaxy is 2.5 million ly away from the Milky Way so it would be a 16-inch pizza 25 feet away. The Magellanic Clouds are a couple of smaller irregular galaxies that are closer so they'd be kinda like a couple of buffalo wings located 1.5 to 2 feet away from our 12-inch Milky Way pizza.
The Pinwleel galaxy is a bigger galaxy that is much further away so it'd be a 20-imch pizza 210 feet away from our home galaxy pizza. So yes, the Pinwheel galaxy is not just outside the Galactic Barrier crust of our galaxy pizza, it's about three houses down the steet from my house where the Milky Way pizza is sitting in my kitchen.
Ok, ok so I'm hungry, guess I'd better sign off and dig in.
Robert
^Okay, now you have to buy us all pizza as a study aid.
If you're gonna get technical about it, Daniels just said "There are Xindi serving aboard Enterprise-J" and that the Federation will protect the Xindi from the Sphere Builders. Nothing to say the Xindi were in the future-Federation.
Worf, Rom and Gaila served on Starfleet ships despite their member worlds not being part of the UFP.
Also: That pizza analogy rocked!
Out of curiosity, I looked that up. Turns out, 53. Though only 26 are confirmed members as of the 24th century. The rest are believed to be members depite nothing being firmly established one way or the other, those that Mr. Daniels claimed would be members in the 26th century, and members of the Coalition of Planets who likely did become Federation members, though there's nothing canon to say so.
Fun fact.
Do we know that 150 worlds mean 150 separate species, though? In the books, at least, both Mars and Alpha Centauri, both (apparently) with human-majority populations, are depicted as individual members of the Federation, separate from Earth.
We Humans may not be so unique in this respect. Could be any number of races that colonized other worlds - some of which have joined the Federation more or less independantly of each other.
One could infer that the Vulcans are VERY stay-at-home for a starfaring species - unless one counts folk like the Romulans and Mintakans.
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Also, given this thread's discussion about galaxies, thought I would throw this in for anyone who might not have seen it before:
http://htwins.net/scale/
Powers of Ten, a decades-old film, is one of my favorites for showing the scale of the universe.
An update version with modern research is Cosmic Voyage.
An update version with modern research is Cosmic Voyage.
Per Picard in FC:
150 planets spread across 8000 ly's.
Given the abundance of M-class planets in Trek and terraforming capabilities of the Feds, I would theorize that '150 planets spread across 8000 ly's' indicates that each planet contains a different species.
KingDaniel
Well put.
We don't know for certain if the Xindi ever even joined the Federation.
They could have diplomatic ties with the Feds and a certain % of individuals that serve in SF for example.
To that end, we have 0 indication that Bolians for example are Federation members (no one ever stated it on-screen).
They can equally so have diplomatic ties with the Feds, but not be actual members.
Trill could be the same.
150 planets spread across 8000 ly's.
Given the abundance of M-class planets in Trek and terraforming capabilities of the Feds, I would theorize that '150 planets spread across 8000 ly's' indicates that each planet contains a different species.
KingDaniel
Well put.
We don't know for certain if the Xindi ever even joined the Federation.
They could have diplomatic ties with the Feds and a certain % of individuals that serve in SF for example.
To that end, we have 0 indication that Bolians for example are Federation members (no one ever stated it on-screen).
They can equally so have diplomatic ties with the Feds, but not be actual members.
Trill could be the same.
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