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I grew up in the prairies, and I find it impossible to hate Justin Trudeau and company. His father got a lot more correctly than a lot of my childhood neighbours were being raised to give credit for.
 
@Timewalker I’m originally from Winnipeg and spent a few years in Moosejaw. Then moved to Calgary when I was six. Calgary was/is home to me.

I remember one year I voted for NDP because I didn’t pay attention to the name on the ballot and my mom was furious. She went into a rant about how she voted for them in the 80’s because she was a clueless 20-something and her dad was angry the same way she was with me.

Thank you for your lengthy response.

Was your mother in the habit of checking on your ballots?


I remember back in the '90s when we had the Charlottetown Accord vote. I was in the SCA at the time, and three of us were traveling to Edmonton from Red Deer, to do some shopping at a fancy craft store (fancy for the '90s; we had nothing like it in Red Deer back then).

This was maybe a week or so after the referendum, and one of the people turned around in his seat and asked me, "So, how did you vote in the referendum?"

I knew that his views and mine were opposite, so I answered, "With a pencil."

His wife (who was driving) snickered, he gave me a dirty look, and realized that as much as we were both political junkies, I was not about to get drawn into an argument.

some of it is his father, some of is conservatives just being nasty shits plus there's the 3 term P.M factor (very few heads of government don't stink like last week's fish by that point), his utter inability not to get himself into ethics and that he just rubs some people the wrong way even when they're on the same side of the political isle.

ndp have a very large socialist wing which doesn't appeal to a lot of people (I can't stand the socialists any more than I can stand the hardline conservatives).

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The Toronto Star published an article on the very subject.

but looking the fingers, most the truduea hate come from the conservatives and in Manitoba/Saskatchewan/Alberta

other figures - 77% weakness as leader, 66% just tired of him (which goes to my point above about being a 3rd term P.M)

59% of people didn't hold him in high esteem because of the budget and 59% failure to deliver on promises.

It's absolutely fair to be angry with him for broken promises. People in the West took a chance and voted Liberal because he PROMISED to get rid of FPTP. And when the time finally came, first he tried to stack the committee, and then when he didn't get the answer he wanted, he lied about it, saying there was no consensus and that he didn't think Canadians really cared about that.

This is such a lot of bullshit, because for some people, that promise was the ONLY reason they voted Liberal instead of what they would normally have voted.

I don't want PP to win, but holy crap, Trudeau has to go, to give them a chance to have a leadership convention and give the new person a fair chance to get organized. Otherwise it's going to be 1993 all over again, just from the other side.
 
It's absolutely fair to be angry wfith him for broken promises. People in the West took a chance and voted Liberal because he PROMISED to get rid of FPTP. And when the time finally came, first he tried to stack the committee, and then when he didn't get the answer he wanted, he lied about it, saying there was no consensus and that he didn't think Canadians really cared about that.

This is such a lot of bullshit, because for some people, that promise was the ONLY reason they voted Liberal instead of what they would normally have voted.

That was a huge, HUGE misstep on his part. That about face so early in his mandate turned off a lot of his supporters, especially the younger voters who were instrumental in giving him such a large majority in 2015.

None of the parties want to introduce proportional representation when they're riding high in the polls, because they know it would severely limit their chances for a majority government. But of course if they had done the reform like they had promised, then we wouldn't have a potential Poilievre majority staring us in the face right now. :mad:

I don't want PP to win, but holy crap, Trudeau has to go, to give them a chance to have a leadership convention and give the new person a fair chance to get organized. Otherwise it's going to be 1993 all over again, just from the other side.

I'm hoping that somehow, Trudeau gets inspired by the example of President Biden, and steps aside for the good of the party. And if he doesn't, then I hope his caucus is inspired by the Democratic leadership, which made Biden's position untenable and basically forced his hand.
 
And it's not like Trudeau was too young to remember 1993. He was 21 at the time, so there's no excuse for not being aware of how a party can go from a majority to being able to hold caucus meetings in a slightly oversized phone booth.

But at least the PCs could say that they were the first party to achieve gender parity in the House. My dad couldn't stop laughing over that.
 
I'm not convinced that we should be done with the Trudeau-Singh alliance just yet. Even though they - and many others - might prefer it that way.
 
Was your mother in the habit of checking on your ballots?

No because we always voted in person and she obviously wasn’t allowed in the voting booth with me. Afterwards on the drive home she would ask so i’d tell her. I’m an extremely honest person so lying to avoid conflict never crossed my mind.

This probably makes her seem awful but I promise she’s not. She’s always been extra involved in my life more than other parents because I have two physical disabilities. If that makes sense.
 
That was a huge, HUGE misstep on his part. That about face so early in his mandate turned off a lot of his supporters, especially the younger voters who were instrumental in giving him such a large majority in 2015.

think the worst part of it was the utter mishandling of it by miriam monsef - both in screwing up the job and defending her screw up.

Instead of defending her, trudeau should have punted her to the back bench.

she then went on to be the only liberal MP to lose her seat the at the last election. Only probablem is the the tory who replaced her is worse.

But of course if they had done the reform like they had promised, then we wouldn't have a potential Poilievre majority staring us in the face right now. :mad:

speaking of that, it's been mentioned in the toronto star that Ontario might go to the polls early to avoid blow back when the little pissant starts swinging the budget axe including transfer payments to the provinces.

wonder how that will play in Alberta where they've whinged about the transfer payments under trudeau.

will the tories engage in payback and take from Ontario and Quebec (esp the later) to prop up the prarie provinces or will they cut in general leading to the question of will Alberta complain or will they they sit there and take it cos so many things are okay'ed when done by conservatives.
 
think the worst part of it was the utter mishandling of it by miriam monsef - both in screwing up the job and defending her screw up.

Instead of defending her, trudeau should have punted her to the back bench.

she then went on to be the only liberal MP to lose her seat the at the last election. Only probablem is the the tory who replaced her is worse.



speaking of that, it's been mentioned in the toronto star that Ontario might go to the polls early to avoid blow back when the little pissant starts swinging the budget axe including transfer payments to the provinces.

wonder how that will play in Alberta where they've whinged about the transfer payments under trudeau.

will the tories engage in payback and take from Ontario and Quebec (esp the later) to prop up the prarie provinces or will they cut in general leading to the question of will Alberta complain or will they they sit there and take it cos so many things are okay'ed when done by conservatives.

DanYell Smith is a legendary genius in her own mind. She even looks kinda orange in some of her photos.

Alberta is being "governed" by a pack of clueless, vicious, sociopaths who should all have noses at least 10 miles long by this point and need an army of servants to carry them.

At the moment the squabbling is about whose fault it is that a third of Jasper burned to the ground a few days ago. The municipality is under provincial jurisdiction, but it's located in a national park, which is under federal jurisdiction. While the mayor was desperate for DanYell to get off her backside and request federal help to fight the fire, she and her cronies were busy as usual, mocking everyone who actually understands the concept of climate change and that many of these fires are started by lightning, not NDP supporters sneaking over every square inch of remote mountain territory with a box of matches.

And then after the burning, they started screeching that Justin deliberately ordered his "minions" to set the fires so he could "do a land grab" and turn Jasper into a 15-minute city.
 
They're obsessed with this. The only good thing about it is that some of them actually think the premier is complicit in creating 15-minute cities because she hasn't attacked Trudeau over them, either verbally or in her ads. She might lose some votes on that point.

The rational people have been trying to explain to these idiots that a "15-minute city" is essentially what life used to be like as recently as the 1970s, possibly the '80s, before urban sprawl got so bad.

For instance, here in Red Deer, I lived in a neighborhood where everything I could need on a daily basis was within a 15-minute walk from home. My junior high was a block away. My high school was 3 blocks. There was a grocery store, pharmacy, and strip mall with a couple of restaurants, a barber shop, and other places within a 10-15 minute walk. Around the corner from that was a medical clinic. There was a convenience store within 5 minutes. There were multiple bus stops within 5 minutes. There was a movie theatre next to the grocery store. All of this was within easy walking distance, even in winter.

It's been 15 years since I lived in that neighborhood, and life there isn't so convenient anymore. The grocery store closed and that area of town is basically a food desert now (convenience stores don't count as they rarely carry all the basics, don't have a pharmacy, and the prices are higher than in actual grocery stores). The medical clinic became office and retail space, the strip mall still has a restaurant and barber shop, though not the same ones. Most other places there closed, because without the grocery store, what reason do people actually have to go there?

Where I am now is in a similar situation. The only food source I have within a 15-minute walk is a convenience store, or if I wanted to go to the neighborhood in the valley, there are a couple of burger joints and a convenience store. None of these are accessible to me anymore, now that I'm mobility-disabled, and I wouldn't dare leave my walker parked outside anyway. It would be stolen thisfast. Older parts of town are not disabled-friendly (stairs, narrow doors). Sure, there are a couple of grocery stores within a short drive, but I don't drive. So my shopping is a once or twice thing each month, using the handi-bus, and I'm limited to what I can carry or pack on my walker (the drivers don't like that).

Medical clinic? There's a walk-in a short taxi/handi-bus ride away. It's harder to access that place, though, since one of the doctors was murdered a few years ago (someone killed him with a machete). Security's tight there now, and it wasn't an especially friendly place to begin with. What medical clinic places a sandwich board right in front of the only door, so mobility-disabled people can't get in? (foot traffic had room to get around it but people in wheelchairs, scooters, or using walkers couldn't). They weren't happy when I knocked on the door and asked them to move it so I could actually get in. My actual doctor's office is across town. It's not walking distance, or even affordable taxi distance. If not for the handi-bus, I wouldn't be able to get there.

For people like me, a 15-minute city would be a relief. Life would be so much easier. And these selfish, insane, far-right idiots don't understand that and couldn't care less.
 
Yeah, I'm not really getting why a "15-minute city" is supposed to be a bad thing. :confused:

Omaha (my home city) pretty much is one, at least for me. I live 2 miles away from the grocery store where I work, and the bar where I eat dinner four times a week is also just a few miles from my home.
 
They have this crazy notion that there will be cops stationed at every 15-minute interval to prevent people from leaving their neighborhoods. I asked them how they think goods and services will work if nobody is allowed to go more than 15 minutes from home, and their response is to accuse me of being an "NDPLiberal" or just a Liberal. They can't even comprehend that it's possible to dislike both the Conservatives and Liberals at the same time. And it's meaningless to call someone a Liberal in Alberta anyway. The provincial party is pretty much dead at this point, and it's rare for a federal Liberal to be elected here.

And then there are the ones who insist that covid shots are actually an excuse to implant chips in us to track our movements. The fact that anyone with a cell phone can be tracked just whooshes over their heads.
 
They're confessing their own ambitions for our futures by levelling such accusations against the Liberals and NDP like this. They can't imagine their prey not thinking the same way they do.
 
Does Tim Horton’s still make those strawberry summer treats? My favourite was the tart with the giant strawberry!

What about the Pillsbury holiday cookies? My favourite was the chocolate ghosts but they weren’t always available.

After being away for almost seven years, these are random thoughts I have.
 
I don't know, but then they may be something only available in the restaurants. The Tim Horton's I go to is a kiosk in the mall, where I get my Timbit and apple fritter fix (went there today and got an assortment of fritters and chocolate, strawberry, and honey Timbits).
 
Does Tim Horton’s still make those strawberry summer treats? My favourite was the tart with the giant strawberry!

I don't think I've seen anything like that this year? This summer they had the retro doughnuts for the 60th anniversary.

What about the Pillsbury holiday cookies? My favourite was the chocolate ghosts but they weren’t always available.

Yes, the holiday cookies are still a thing. :)
 
It's gotten to the point here in Alberta where the rational people (iow not anyone who supports either the UCP or the convoy) are actually afraid to fly Canadian flags, for fear of being thought of as a convoy supporter.

Oh yeah, agreed. Whenever I see the flag flow that way, I sigh and look askance. It's making me feel ashamed.
 
DanYell Smith

I don't even know who that is, and I STILL think this is funny. :lol:

On a completely unrelated matter, since L&O:TOR has been - presumably - airing for awhile now, have any of you guys seen it? What's it like? Is it a decent show?
 
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I don't even know who that is, and I STILL think this is funny. :lol:
The premier of Alberta: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danielle_Smith

She has an unpleasant voice that takes on a very whiny tone at times. "DanYell" is one of the more polite nicknames she has among the people who loathe her.

There are actually a couple of pictures of her when she's orange. She loves the governor of Florida, is ideologically in lockstep with PP (Pierre Poilievre), thinks Trump is wonderful, and regularly spouts off no end of medical misinformation about cancer and covid. She fits the definition of fascist, has followers that praise her like she's some damn saint, and encourages the lunacy her followers spout, because that's where the votes are. She's a political opportunist who cares absolutely nothing for the vulnerable people of the province, and stomped on a number of green technology initiatives because her religion includes neverending oil and gas.

And that doesn't begin to address her party's pathological hatred of LGBT people.
 
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