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The Last Jedi Box Office discussion thread

crookeddy said:
700 million below the original dude. That's definitely something to get fired over. This movie is a very serious flop.
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It's not even a minimal flop. Justice League is a flop. It was made on a comparable budget, heavily advertised, and made 227 million domestically plus 427 mil. overseas. The projected loss for WB is somewhere between 50 and 100 million.

TLJ made three times as much money domestically, twice as much globally. Do the math.
 
Not if we go by the Mouse's standards. I mean AoU was considered a disappointment and it did better than TLJ and was bringing in 5x as much from China.
 
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Rebellions against an Empire are not a thing the PRC really want to show too much around the place. The ROC on the other hand...they might like it, as would say, Hong Kong.

Saw it again today, enjoyed it for the second time.
 
Set Harth said:
Dour tone? Wasn't one of the criticisms that there was supposedly too much Marvel-like humor?
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Both can be true. I'm fine with dour, though I don't entirely agree, but a lot of the humor was sorely mismatched with the film as a whole.
 
Venardhi said:
Both can be true. I'm fine with dour, though I don't entirely agree, but a lot of the humor was sorely mismatched with the film as a whole.
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This is the same bullshit that people (who should know better) were saying about Justice League (apparently it was 'too dark' for them.:rolleyes:) I saw the movie twice, and it had a balance between light and dark, and was funny at the moments it was supposed to be.
 
Shaka Zulu said:
This is the same bullshit that people (who should know better) were saying about Justice League (apparently it was 'too dark' for them.:rolleyes:)
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Those reviews were written, in essence, before they had even seen the film. They just lazily copied and pasted their gripes with BvS onto Justice League. If anything it wasn't dark enough.
 
I thought Justice League was simply a middling movie along the lines of the majority of the X-Men series. The humor felt more natural than it did in TLJ IMO, though only one or two (intentionally humorous) moments really "bothered me" in TLJ.
 
Venardhi said:
Both can be true. I'm fine with dour, though I don't entirely agree, but a lot of the humor was sorely mismatched with the film as a whole.
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How? It flowed nicely for me, didn't detract from the overall pacing of the film, save for one or two bits (and I'm talking 5 second bits) and it never jarred me out of it.

So, I'm genuinely curious as to how? I know humor is subjective and all but stilll:shrug:
 
Ithekro said:
Rebellions against an Empire are not a thing the PRC really want to show too much around the place.
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And you are absolutely wrong. The PRC's glorification of the Taiping as well as trying to co-opt the early Nationalists like Sun seems to show the opposite.
 
Hasn't anyone read the article? They don't like the movie because John Boyega is not handsome like Will Smith.
 
Prax said:
Hasn't anyone read the article? They don't like the movie because John Boyega is not handsome like Will Smith.
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That guy didn't exactly speak for the entire country. But the fact is, the original trilogy never had a wide release in China so SW has no cultural significance there.

I suspect TFA was moderately successful because it was doing insane business everywhere else. It out-grossed Avatar in the US, Germany, and the UK, and the Chinese were curious about the fuss, but here's the thing - they did NOT like it. It's actually the lowest rated of all nine SW movies at douban.com, which is like their national IMDB equivalent.

TFA was supposed to be the grand introduction of Star Wars into the Chinese popular culture, and as such, it was a complete fiasco. And since they didn't like Rogue One either, TLJ didn't stand a chance.
 
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fireproof78 said:
How? It flowed nicely for me, didn't detract from the overall pacing of the film, save for one or two bits (and I'm talking 5 second bits) and it never jarred me out of it.

So, I'm genuinely curious as to how? I know humor is subjective and all but stilll:shrug:
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It's certainly a matter of opinion. Things like Luke's rejection of the Saber and his life on Achto being played for laughs just seemed kind of out of sync with the tone of that story arc, like they wanted to squeeze in some laughs before establishing the past tragedy. Same with the prank call and Hux turning into a spineless idiot for no real apparent reason. The humor in all of these cases felt (to me anyways) manufactured to fill a laugh quota rather than arising naturally from a situation as was the case with, say, Han verbally flailing to keep the situation under control in ANH, Yoda's testing of Luke's patience and intentions in ESB or C3P0's constant slick-witted cowardice.
Rogue One had a similar problem, but hid it better through characters who served little other purpose in the plot than to deliver the humor. Still, lines like Vader's awful pun don't feel like anything approaching a natural inclusion in the script.
 
Venardhi said:
It's certainly a matter of opinion. Things like Luke's rejection of the Saber and his life on Achto being played for laughs just seemed kind of out of sync with the tone of that story arc, like they wanted to squeeze in some laughs before establishing the past tragedy. Same with the prank call and Hux turning into a spineless idiot for no real apparent reason. The humor in all of these cases felt (to me anyways) manufactured to fill a laugh quota rather than arising naturally from a situation as was the case with, say, Han verbally flailing to keep the situation under control in ANH, Yoda's testing of Luke's patience and intentions in ESB or C3P0's constant slick-witted cowardice.
Rogue One had a similar problem, but hid it better through characters who served little other purpose in the plot than to deliver the humor. Still, lines like Vader's awful pun don't feel like anything approaching a natural inclusion in the script.
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Since I felt like Luke's shenanigans were designed to deliberately be off putting to Rey, I don't see the "squeezed for laughs." It felt like Yoda.

I agree about Poe's call to Hux, but it fits Poe's personality so its fine.

Now, I'm going to admit my bias and state my way of dealing with tragedy is through humor. So, Luke's response I could identify with more, same with Poe. Hux's "spineless" felt less humorless and more his genuine fear of Snoke and the failure of Starkiller.

I don't know. I know I laughed quite a bit with BB-8 and Rey annoying the caretakers but that felt very natural.
 
I prefer the incidental humor of the OT. It has a wit and subtlety(at least by today's
standards)that is refreshing, maybe now more than ever.
"No reward is worth this"
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"You've never heard of the Millennium Falcon"
"Should I... have?"
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Han "You think a guy like me..."
Luke "no"

Sometimes it is dark humor, like some of Vader's lines.
"If this is a consular ship, where is the Ambassador?!" (as he's choking him to death)
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"Apology accepted..."
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"The Emperor is not as forgiving as I am."

There's good use of sarcasm(and various levels of sarcasm) with Han and Leia, especially in the first two films. The Indiana Jones movies used a lot of this same kind of incidental, dark, dry humor very effectively.

I think Rogue One captures this occasionally. The imperial droid guy is funny, but not in a way that interferes with the serious tone. He adds levity appropriately.
 
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