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The Last Jedi Box Office discussion thread

Honestly, you could say that about all the supposed similarities between TFA and ANH. By all appearances, that criticism is valid, but it's also a bit vapid and surface level in that analysis, because the characters and their behavior are different and the state of the galaxy is far more tenuous.

I don't have a problem with the characters, they by and large were pretty memorable and entertaining. I just question the choice of settings. They could have literally have set it anywhere - they had an entire universe to play with, but no, they went with the desert planet and Death Star again. If you were in charge of these creative decisions - wouldn't you try and avoid being accused of a lack or originality? I agree it maybe seen as a surface level analysis, because that's what it is, but there's no escaping that it's there, on screen, however we try and spin it. I think I was just expecting more from a modern Star Wars movie with a 200 million budget when the franchise has consistently delivered amazing, sometimes ground breaking visuals and alien worlds. It's my main gripe with this film.

I wouldn't say the state of the galaxy is any more tenuous than in ANH either, in fact I'd say it was exactly the same - we have the First Order marauding all over the place threatening the galaxy with a large spherical super-weapon, which they end up using, with a small rebellion planning an attack with small fighters whilst the last of the Jedi are in hiding. Damn that sounds familiar doesn't it? ;)

Anyway, I'm not here to bash TFA, I do still enjoy the film, just not as much as I did on first viewing. This all stems from my original point that I think TLJ really needs to stand on it's own two feet in terms of plot, setting... well everything I feel. If we witness any cribbing from ESB then I'll be extremely disappointed. Call it the difficult second album if you will. :techman:
 
I wouldn't say the state of the galaxy is any more tenuous than in ANH either, in fact I'd say it was exactly the same - we have the First Order marauding all over the place threatening the galaxy with a large spherical super-weapon, which they end up using, with a small rebellion planning an attack with small fighters whilst the last of the Jedi are in hiding. Damn that sounds familiar doesn't it? ;)
Only at the most surface level of details. But, those details are kind of important :D
 
It's different because the *vast* majority of the galaxy is free from oppression and enjoying a period of peace the likes of which have not been seen since at least before the Clone Wars. The First Order are a numerically tiny splinter faction operating on the fringes of known space and the Resistance are essentially considered a bunch of crackpot warmongers for claiming a group that almost nobody has even heard of is any kind of threat to galactic peace.

This is less about overthrowing an Empire and more about complacency and hubris in the face of oncoming tyranny and war. "Peace in our time." etc.
 
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I just wish that was explained better in the movies and not left to other materials.

Anyways bought my tickets for Friday, woo.
 
That is one of my very few criticisms of TFA-it could have actually stood a little more politics.

Agreed, it seemed to be more or less ignored in the film, almost like it was deliberately going the opposite way to the prequels. I wouldn't have minded seeing more of this, as like it or not, the politics play a big part in the saga, and provide the backdrop for the story.
 
IIRC they did shoot a scene or two with Leia that made it a little more explicit what was going on, but cut it for what I can only presume were pacing issues.

I agree with the criticism though, as presented in the movie it was a little confusing as to what the political landscape was. On the other hand, the OT never really went into details about such things and would often state things without context because it wasn't immediately relevant to the plot.

The thing about the saga movies is that they're not really about the "wars", that's just the backdrop for an adventure movie and if someone's first Star Wars movie was TFA (which I'm assuming it already is for a whole new generation of kids) then they really didn't need to know how all the dots connect, just like we old timers didn't need to know exactly how all the stuff about the clone wars and the extinction of the Jedi played out.
 
The way they handled all of the political stuff in TFA worked for me. The movie really wasn't about that stuff, it was just about Rey and Finn's journey, and we got enough in the movie to follow that. The only people who really care about the politics are us hardcore fans, and if we really wanted to know more of what was going on, then we had the books and comics.
 
I think that literally one or two more lines of dialog might have made the political landscape more clear and easier to understand. There was definitely no need to go into a lot of detail.

Kor
 
I think that literally one or two more lines of dialog might have made the political landscape more clear and easier to understand. There was definitely no need to go into a lot of detail.

Kor
Really wouldn't have taken much.
 
The movie's pace was a little too slapdash. It wouldn't have hurt to slow down for a minute or so to give us at least a little bit of much needed context. ANH didn't really give us a whole lot to go on, either, but it did a far better job of conveying the sense of the political landscape.
 
I have tickets to see this on opening night in 3D


:razz: <-- that's the alien that shot first at Han Solo
 
I have tickets to see this on opening night in 3D


:razz: <-- that's the alien that shot first at Han Solo

Lucky you. I wonder what kind of 3D conversion this film has or whether any of it has been filmed in 3D. I usually try and avoid the format but some lately have been pretty decent.
 
I can't actually see 3D because of a bad eye, so I bought tickets for a 2D showing. Cheaper anyways.

Hardly anyone goes to 2D showings at my local theatre anymore, the big releases the past few years the room only gets about a third full, on the opening day, I'm surprised the theatre keeps having them.

Though I'm going to play it safe with Star Wars and get there a bit earlier then normal.
 
I can't actually see 3D because of a bad eye, so I bought tickets for a 2D showing. Cheaper anyways.
You're not missing much. I've always found 3D more distracting than enhancing and I almost always get a headache watching them (part of the reason why I hate Avatar so much). The only film I've seen that utilized it well was Gravity.
 
I'll skip the 3D too... When a movie is MADE to be in 3D, ala Tron Legacy or Avatar (and maybe Dr. Strange), it is a wonderful enhancement, but when it's just a conversion afterward, or is just there as a "value added" extra, it really doesn't do much for me.

I was supposed to be on-call for the 15th, but just switched days with a coworker so that I can be sure that nothing gets in the way of seeing it! Woot!!
 
I'm seeing a lot of advertising for the movie; Not just the trailers, but a Nissan commerical, segments on local news (at least in Los Angeles), etc... Plus the fact that it's a new Star Wars movie, with Carrie Fisher and Mark Hamill being a big part of it... So I think that will get a lot of butts in theater seats opening weekend. Now whether the movie is the next Empire Strikes Back or the next Phantom Menace will determine how it does after.

I'm thinking that if the movie is great, it will match or beat TFA in all categories:
$240M+ for opening weekend. $900M+ domestic/$2B+ worldwide

If the is not so good:
$220M opening weekend, $600M domestic/$1.2B worldwide

If the movie is somewhere in-between:
$230M opening weekend, $750 domestic/$1.5B worldwide

Regardless, this movie's going to make a cr@p ton of money...
 
Numbers for the Thursday previews are starting to come in at 45 million. Looking like 200 million OW is a given at this stage now, probably higher.
 
So a monster 220 million opening weekend and 450 worldwide opening it is then. About what I expected. I can see this going to 1.8b worldwide now.
 
^ I think the mixed reviews and heated debate might temper those numbers. I’d say 1.2 - 1.4 billion might be about it
 
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