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Trek aired on WPIX well into the 90's, but not as often toward the end of their rights period. You had to look for it and hoped for the best. Then the rights were grabbed up by the Sci-Fi Channel which had it until 2004 (they were part of the basic cable package long before this so many people had access). Then TV Land and G4 ran the series. Finally, TOS-R hit the air all over the dial in NY.

So, really, aside from a relatively short gap at the end of the 90's, Trek was always available in the New York City area, it just left our local syndie stations when SFC bought it. It certainly didn't vanish so much that "nobody young know what the hell it is."

If there was NO recognition, they'd have made the movie about other characters. Besides, I know a number of under 30 year olds who are well aware of the original series.

I don't know if I agree with this timeline 100%...but in the early 90's I was in my early 20's so guess it's possible that it was on and I didn't realize...I was out every night after work drinkin and partying...never home...I'm sure you all remember those days of our youth....

I remember Sci-fi getting it and they even ran marathons for awhile on various holidays and I was so happy and then poof...gone.

TV Land we can't even count -- they had it on for such a short time and they moved it all over the schedule that I couldn't even keep up.....it's now on Sunday mornings at like 5am...so really we can't count tvland..

And G4 you're right about...but I never got that channel... :(

I agree w/ ya that people young and old know what trek is...everybody knows kirk/spock, live long and prosper, "the enterprise", beam me up...tribbles...everybody knows it...may not like it...but they know it !
 
What do you mean no syndication? TOS is on all the time on like three different stations. :wtf:

In the New York City tri-state area TOS has been off syndication for about 20 years.

Nonsense.

I moved to Vegas to New York in 2003 and WPIX had TOS on weekends right until when I moved.

But this is what I mean. The fact it may be on isn't the point. the fact that it isn't advertised as being so is. How can you get people to watch a show when it isn't even advertized.

Rob
 
Trek aired on WPIX well into the 90's, but not as often toward the end of their rights period. You had to look for it and hoped for the best. Then the rights were grabbed up by the Sci-Fi Channel which had it until 2004 (they were part of the basic cable package long before this so many people had access). Then TV Land and G4 ran the series. Finally, TOS-R hit the air all over the dial in NY.

So, really, aside from a relatively short gap at the end of the 90's, Trek was always available in the New York City area, it just left our local syndie stations when SFC bought it. It certainly didn't vanish so much that "nobody young know what the hell it is."

If there was NO recognition, they'd have made the movie about other characters. Besides, I know a number of under 30 year olds who are well aware of the original series.

I don't know if I agree with this timeline 100%...but in the early 90's I was in my early 20's so guess it's possible that it was on and I didn't realize...I was out every night after work drinkin and partying...never home...I'm sure you all remember those days of our youth....

I remember Sci-fi getting it and they even ran marathons for awhile on various holidays and I was so happy and then poof...gone.

TV Land we can't even count -- they had it on for such a short time and they moved it all over the schedule that I couldn't even keep up.....it's now on Sunday mornings at like 5am...so really we can't count tvland..

And G4 you're right about...but I never got that channel... :(

I agree w/ ya that people young and old know what trek is...everybody knows kirk/spock, live long and prosper, "the enterprise", beam me up...tribbles...everybody knows it...may not like it...but they know it !

You ain't looking really hard .

http://affiliate.zap2it.com/tv/star-trek/EP00003985
 
But this is what I mean. The fact it may be on isn't the point. the fact that it isn't advertised as being so is. How can you get people to watch a show when it isn't even advertized.

Rob


Rob, why are you expecting local channels to promote a 43 year-old TV series when paramount does nothing to promote it?

You have to realize that all they care about with TOS at this point is DVD revenue. That's basically the only reason it's even aired. It's an hour of free advertising.
 
But this is what I mean. The fact it may be on isn't the point. the fact that it isn't advertised as being so is. How can you get people to watch a show when it isn't even advertized.

Rob


Rob, why are you expecting local channels to promote a 43 year-old TV series when paramount does nothing to promote it?

You have to realize that all they care about with TOS at this point is DVD revenue. That's basically the only reason it's even aired. It's an hour of free advertising.

Generally I would agree...but with a new movie coming out, I would think, for a TV programer, I would air star trek in a more friendly spot and let people know I have it on...

Rob
 
But this is what I mean. The fact it may be on isn't the point. the fact that it isn't advertised as being so is. How can you get people to watch a show when it isn't even advertized.

Rob


Rob, why are you expecting local channels to promote a 43 year-old TV series when paramount does nothing to promote it?

You have to realize that all they care about with TOS at this point is DVD revenue. That's basically the only reason it's even aired. It's an hour of free advertising.

Generally I would agree...but with a new movie coming out, I would think, for a TV programer, I would air star trek in a more friendly spot and let people know I have it on...

Rob
It depends on what the arrangement is. If a channel paying for particularly programming, I would agree. They need to promote it to et the ad revenues up but, if OTOH, they aren't paying for it or are indeed are being paid to carry it (like an infomercial) why push it?

I'm suggesting TOS-R is nothing more than an infomercial at this point.
 
I don't remember the original series ever not being on the air. It always seems to be being rerun on somewhere. When they did the remastering with the new effects I actually saw a little advertizing for it too.
 
I was at BEST BUY this weekend, finally getting my new TV, and while I was there the TREK XI trailer came on. And I innocently listened in on the reaction of the young workers who were watching the Trailer. They both thought it looked cool. The girl thought Pine was cute and the dude got excited at the FX shots they showed and they both recognized Sylar as Spock.

But then I saw a man/woman more my age and the man just shook his head and said it looked stupid and that no one would buy Pine as Kirk. Do you think, as I am starting to think, that the shadow of TOS really only is casted over those of us 35+ age old? I don't think today's generation has any idea who Shatner/Nimoy really were back then. Oh, they see Shatner on PRICELINE or maybe even Boston Legal, but I think TOS is becoming, as it should after 40+ years, a memory of pop-culture. In ten years, twenty years, it will be even more so...

Or am I reading this wrong? Will the shadow of star trek, and I mean TOS, never truly fade into 'what was'?

Rob


I think my generation and older will have the hardest time with this movie. But as I said in the other thread, I believe this movie was made for my Son and daughter.This will be the film that they think of when they dream of going to the stars. And it's about time they have their Star Trek. I already have mine and 40 odd years isn't a bad run. I think the younger generation have no idea what is about to happen to them. I think they are going to love this movie. And I think we will see a Renaissance of all things Trek.
 
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I was at BEST BUY this weekend, finally getting my new TV, and while I was there the TREK XI trailer came on. And I innocently listened in on the reaction of the young workers who were watching the Trailer. They both thought it looked cool. The girl thought Pine was cute and the dude got excited at the FX shots they showed and they both recognized Sylar as Spock.

But then I saw a man/woman more my age and the man just shook his head and said it looked stupid and that no one would buy Pine as Kirk. Do you think, as I am starting to think, that the shadow of TOS really only is casted over those of us 35+ age old? I don't think today's generation has any idea who Shatner/Nimoy really were back then. Oh, they see Shatner on PRICELINE or maybe even Boston Legal, but I think TOS is becoming, as it should after 40+ years, a memory of pop-culture. In ten years, twenty years, it will be even more so...

Or am I reading this wrong? Will the shadow of star trek, and I mean TOS, never truly fade into 'what was'?

Rob


I think my generation and older will have the hardest time with this movie. But as I said in the other thread, I believe this movie was made for my Son and daughter.This will be the film that they think of when they dream of going to the stars. And it's about time they have their Star Trek. I already have mine and 40 odd years isn't a bad run. I think the younger generation have no idea what is about to happen to them. I think they are going to love this movie. And I think we will see a Renaissance of all things Trek.

I couldn't have said it better...I have teens too. And this movie, with all its spit and polish, is aimed at their generation.

As you all know, I wanted SHATNER big time in this new movie..but he isn't. And we have to go on. I do not think SHATNER, or anyone from the old show, should be in this new series ever again...

Rob
 
There can be something strange about some fans - of anything.

Star Trek is a continuation of a line of genre shows that began in the earliest years of television; "Captain Video," "Tom Corbett, Space Cadet," "Space Patrol"...

There are, you may be surprised to know, still cells of fandom for these old shows. They call themselves "The Solar Guard," and they even identify themselves as "Cadet _____" in their posts on their respective board and website.

They're about as weird as we are. You can buy costumes and everything. They are us - just, mostly, a hell of a lot older - in their seventies.

They say with age comes wisdom... and perspective. The one shining example of this is how they view THEIR show.

It's a show. It was their childhood, with laser-pop-guns and mail-away premiums. Real life has far exceeded anything the show considered futuristic, and they have come to accept their show as part of their time - not as some strange, actually-existing, canon-is-God, picayune, voraciously defended icon of all that is good and right in the universe.

Believe me, these guys would not whine about the sets not having painted on dials, not using communicators without telephone cords attached, et al., if somebody was to reboot "Tom Corbett." It would be "Son of Tom Corbett" to them, an extension of their childhood in the new world.

Many Star Trek fans - especially, I think, those who have managed to actually spawn, understand this "Circle of Life" thing instinctively. Some understand and it perfectly well because they have well-developed lobes. Others. Well, Imagine this...

You're standing in that Best Buy, and they're showing a trailer for an upcoming "Space Patrol" movie. IMAX. 150M budget.The show has the sort of basic premise that would allow this to be done.

Now, you see some 14 year olds watch it and drool, some 24 year olds thinking its pretty cool, some 39 year olds who are lovin' it... now two real-life Statler and Waldorf types wander in; one with a walker, one in a wheelchair with a leg off from diabedes...

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"Ha - look - they made the Command deck look like a Hotel Lobby! There's only supposed to be two chairs in there..."
"Where's the yoke? How do you steer this thing, with all those buttons? Is there a button that says "'turn left' in there?"
"Captain Correy??? He was a Commander - Everybody knows that!! And he doesn't look Anything like Ed Kemmer. This is really going to suck..."
"Is that supposed to be a Space-O-Phone!!!? It's a cell phone!!! Don't they know the difference? I had the primium back in '51 - didn't they do any kind of research?"
"WHAT DID THEY DO TO THE SHIP!!!!!?? It's a V2 shape - not a ... whatever that is!!"

Like that? How would you view this kind of verbal exchange?

"Space Patrol" ended in 1955 - 54 years ago.
"Star Trek" ended in 1969 - 40 years ago.

The.... acceptability for that kind of idiocy must have a 14-year window.

I don't think you'd actually find any of the Solar Guards actually bitching like that. On the other hand, Trekkies still have their hold-outs. More and more, however, that seems to be a vanishing minority.
 
Double post, I'll add this.

My parents aren't spring chickens anymore and they both are all shits and giggles over this NuTrek.
 
What do you mean no syndication? TOS is on all the time on like three different stations. :wtf:

In the New York City tri-state area TOS has been off syndication for about 20 years.

Nonsense.

I moved to Vegas to New York in 2003 and WPIX had TOS on weekends right until when I moved.

In the New York City tri-state area TOS has been off syndication for about 20 years.

Nonsense.

I moved to Vegas to New York in 2003 and WPIX had TOS on weekends right until when I moved.

But this is what I mean. The fact it may be on isn't the point. the fact that it isn't advertised as being so is. How can you get people to watch a show when it isn't even advertized.

Rob

Trek aired on WPIX well into the 90's, but not as often toward the end of their rights period. You had to look for it and hoped for the best. Then the rights were grabbed up by the Sci-Fi Channel which had it until 2004 (they were part of the basic cable package long before this so many people had access). Then TV Land and G4 ran the series. Finally, TOS-R hit the air all over the dial in NY.

So, really, aside from a relatively short gap at the end of the 90's, Trek was always available in the New York City area, it just left our local syndie stations when SFC bought it. It certainly didn't vanish so much that "nobody young know what the hell it is."

If there was NO recognition, they'd have made the movie about other characters. Besides, I know a number of under 30 year olds who are well aware of the original series.

I don't know if I agree with this timeline 100%...but in the early 90's I was in my early 20's so guess it's possible that it was on and I didn't realize...I was out every night after work drinkin and partying...never home...I'm sure you all remember those days of our youth....

I remember Sci-fi getting it and they even ran marathons for awhile on various holidays and I was so happy and then poof...gone.

TV Land we can't even count -- they had it on for such a short time and they moved it all over the schedule that I couldn't even keep up.....it's now on Sunday mornings at like 5am...so really we can't count tvland..

And G4 you're right about...but I never got that channel... :(

I agree w/ ya that people young and old know what trek is...everybody knows kirk/spock, live long and prosper, "the enterprise", beam me up...tribbles...everybody knows it...may not like it...but they know it !

You ain't looking really hard .

http://affiliate.zap2it.com/tv/star-trek/EP00003985

Thanks Rob...but I know it's on at 1:00 Sat nights...as a matter of fact it used to be on at 12 and then they suddenly moved it...and not a word of them moving the week before..no hey star trek's on an hour later next week...NOTHING. I really can't believe that it's been on continuously in NY for the past 40 years and I haven't known about it. I wish I could find out the syndiacation info for NYC --

So yeah if a die hard like me has no idea then how the hell would anybody else know...no matter what STAR TREK still makes money and yeah w/ the new movie comin out they should be promoting the "old" version...belive me I emailed and called their asses but they don't want any Cake.
 
Not everybody over 35 is a lost cause.

I'm 42. I've been a TOS fans since I was in diapers. I played with the toys, colored in the coloring books, built the models, almost put my eye out with a tracer gun, read the comics, you name it. My youngest daughter is digging on Trek cartoons and the storybooks from the 70s that I bought for her from eBay. I'll likely be buried with my TOS DVD sets (or they won't remove the implant from my skull that was feeding it directly to my brain, or whatever we have by then).

I can't wait for this new movie. Is it the same as the stuff I grew up with and have watched all these years? Certainly doesn't look that way, and you know what? After 40+ years and the $13 bucks per ticket I'm about to pony up, it better damn well not be. I can get that for free at home, and will continue to do so. From this, I want something more. This is as bold a step for Trek as has been taken in 20+ years, and I'm more than ready for them to get on with it.

I don't care about updated FX, ship designs, uniforms, sets, etc. I don't care that different actors are playing the roles. If it's an entertaining film with a Star Trek story at its heart, they'll have done their job, so far as I'm concerned.

Bring it on! :cool:
 
Double post, I'll add this.

My parents aren't spring chickens anymore and they both are all shits and giggles over this NuTrek.

Same here. My parents are in their mid-70's, and are excited as hell over the new movie. My Dad, for one, could care less if the phaser is too shiny and if a starship is being built in Iowa.

To him, it's Kirk and crew on the Enterprise, and a big adventure. He's been an architect, flew missions in Korea and is still looking forward to every day's activities whatever they may be.

Life, to him, has much more important things than worrying if the Enterprise bridge has barcode scanners.
 
I'm 26, and I'm so excited about this new movie. I've been rewatching TOS eps for the last week in preparation. I grew up with TOS in reruns, as well as the other series. TNG was my first Trek (I was five when it aired in 87), but eventually I came to realise that TOS is the superior show.

Can't wait. I don't think one can generalise based on a 'generation gap'. I love lots of movies, television, and music from before my time.
 
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