The Large Shadow

[RobertScorpio]

I was at BEST BUY this weekend, finally getting my new TV, and while I was there the TREK XI trailer came on. And I innocently listened in on the reaction of the young workers who were watching the Trailer. They both thought it looked cool. The girl thought Pine was cute and the dude got excited at the FX shots they showed and they both recognized Sylar as Spock.

But then I saw a man/woman more my age and the man just shook his head and said it looked stupid and that no one would buy Pine as Kirk. Do you think, as I am starting to think, that the shadow of TOS really only is casted over those of us 35+ age old? I don't think today's generation has any idea who Shatner/Nimoy really were back then. Oh, they see Shatner on PRICELINE or maybe even Boston Legal, but I think TOS is becoming, as it should after 40+ years, a memory of pop-culture. In ten years, twenty years, it will be even more so...

Or am I reading this wrong? Will the shadow of star trek, and I mean TOS, never truly fade into 'what was'?

Rob

 

[Cakes488]

I was at BEST BUY this weekend, finally getting my new TV, and while I was there the TREK XI trailer came on. And I innocently listened in on the reaction of the young workers who were watching the Trailer. They both thought it looked cool. The girl thought Pine was cute and the dude got excited at the FX shots they showed and they both recognized Sylar as Spock.

But then I saw a man/woman more my age and the man just shook his head and said it looked stupid and that no one would buy Pine as Kirk. Do you think, as I am starting to think, that the shadow of TOS really only is casted over those of us 35+ age old? I don't think today's generation has any idea who Shatner/Nimoy really were back then. Oh, they see Shatner on PRICELINE or maybe even Boston Legal, but I think TOS is becoming, as it should after 40+ years, a memory of pop-culture. In ten years, twenty years, it will be even more so...

Or am I reading this wrong? Will the shadow of star trek, and I mean TOS, never truly fade into 'what was'?

Rob

Since they killed TOS with no syndication for the last oh I don't know...almost twenty years I'd say.... I don't know how kids today are supposed to know about the original! It was up to us, the "older generation" ....with kids and nieces/nephews etc...to brainwash (influence) them into liking Trek. I've not personally reproduced but I've done my part with my two nephews -- they like Trek and they're 11 & 13. I failed with my niece...I did try but I started too late with her and her and her friends just ended up making fun of me....yes that incident brought back so many good memories LOL.

 

[CorporalClegg]

What do you mean no syndication? TOS is on all the time on like three different stations.

 

[RobertScorpio]

What do you mean no syndication? TOS is on all the time on like three different stations.

TOS is not in syndication in San Diego...

Rob

 

[John Picard]

I was at BEST BUY this weekend, finally getting my new TV, and while I was there the TREK XI trailer came on. And I innocently listened in on the reaction of the young workers who were watching the Trailer. They both thought it looked cool. The girl thought Pine was cute and the dude got excited at the FX shots they showed and they both recognized Sylar as Spock.

But then I saw a man/woman more my age and the man just shook his head and said it looked stupid and that no one would buy Pine as Kirk. Do you think, as I am starting to think, that the shadow of TOS really only is casted over those of us 35+ age old? I don't think today's generation has any idea who Shatner/Nimoy really were back then. Oh, they see Shatner on PRICELINE or maybe even Boston Legal, but I think TOS is becoming, as it should after 40+ years, a memory of pop-culture. In ten years, twenty years, it will be even more so...

Or am I reading this wrong? Will the shadow of star trek, and I mean TOS, never truly fade into 'what was'?

Rob

The reason that guy said it is because he's a casual viewer who remembers, "Yeah, we used to watch Star Trek. It was a Science Fiction show on TV." and that's that. He is not some rabid fan who eats, sleeps, breathes, and yearns for posing on a BBS. Therefore, he is not in the target demographic that this film appeals. No biggie.

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

What do you mean no syndication? TOS is on all the time on like three different stations.

TOS is not in syndication in San Diego...

Rob

It airs on MYTV 13 San Diego (XDTV), Cox Channel 13, on Sundays at 5 PM.

See:
http://trekmovie.com/tos-in-hd/hdtv-star-trek-tos-channel-list/

 

[M'Sharak]

Do you think, as I am starting to think, that the shadow of TOS really only is casted over those of us 35+ age old?

No. Every attempt I've seen at drawing dividing lines based primarily on age has fallen apart pretty quickly. It just doesn't work like that.

 

[RobertScorpio]

Do you think, as I am starting to think, that the shadow of TOS really only is casted over those of us 35+ age old?

No. Every attempt I've seen at drawing dividing lines based primarily on age has fallen apart pretty quickly. It just doesn't work like that.

But if TOS isn't on the air anymore, and it isn't here in San Diego, how does TOS pull in new fans? I think they made this movie, in this time frame of STAR TREK, directly because of the fact that Star Trek isn't pulling in new fans. Oh, yes, the young generation may know that Shatner played Kirk and there was a character named Spock...but do they actually watch the old show? I don't think so, and in some cases, they cant; its not on.

Rob

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

But if TOS isn't on the air anymore, and it isn't here in San Diego, how does TOS pull in new fans?

I listed above where you can find it on the air in San Diego. Once again on MYTV 13, XDTV-San Diego, Cox Cable ch. 13, at 5 PM on Sundays. CORRECTION: It is on at 10 PM on Sundays, not 5PM.

See: http://mytv13.com/programming/

 

[M'Sharak]

Do you think, as I am starting to think, that the shadow of TOS really only is casted over those of us 35+ age old?

No. Every attempt I've seen at drawing dividing lines based primarily on age has fallen apart pretty quickly. It just doesn't work like that.

But if TOS isn't on the air anymore, and it isn't here in San Diego, how does TOS pull in new fans?

As has now been pointed out twice in this thread, it is on in San Diego.

I think they made this movie, in this time frame of STAR TREK, directly because of the fact that Star Trek isn't pulling in new fans. Oh, yes, the young generation may know that Shatner played Kirk and there was a character named Spock...but do they actually watch the old show? I don't think so, and in some cases, they cant; its not on.

Even if that were the case, not being on TV isn't so great an obstacle as it once was. Some people never watch programs at broadcast times, anyway. TiVo and DVDs have made it possible to view things at any time. And, of course, the whole of TOS is online, perfectly legally -- has been for quite some time now. CBS even has their own YouTube channel with full episodes, and something similar can be found on Joost.com. They can watch any of it at any time.

 

[RobertScorpio]

No. Every attempt I've seen at drawing dividing lines based primarily on age has fallen apart pretty quickly. It just doesn't work like that.

But if TOS isn't on the air anymore, and it isn't here in San Diego, how does TOS pull in new fans?

As has now been pointed out twice in this thread, it is on in San Diego.

I think they made this movie, in this time frame of STAR TREK, directly because of the fact that Star Trek isn't pulling in new fans. Oh, yes, the young generation may know that Shatner played Kirk and there was a character named Spock...but do they actually watch the old show? I don't think so, and in some cases, they cant; its not on.

Even if that were the case, not being on TV isn't so great an obstacle as it once was. Some people never watch programs at broadcast times, anyway. TiVo and DVDs have made it possible to view things at any time. And, of course, the whole of TOS is online, perfectly legally -- has been for quite some time now. CBS even has their own YouTube channel with full episodes, and something similar can be found on Joost.com. They can watch any of it at any time.

I live here in san diego...it may be on, but you wouldn't know it if you had a microscope...And if I as a TREK fan cant find it, then that doesn't bode well for new fans....and not everyone gets that channel on basic cable.. I know because I don't

Rob

 

[Cakes488]

What do you mean no syndication? TOS is on all the time on like three different stations.

In the New York City tri-state area TOS has been off syndication for about 20 years. I know someone will come along and tell me exactly when. The closest thing I got to syndication after that is when TVLand started to air it for the 40th anniversary... and that didn't last very long. I tried to enlist the support of my fellow trekkers for a massive email blitz upon them...but alas, I garnered little support...but I digress and that was another life....

I was at BEST BUY this weekend, finally getting my new TV, and while I was there the TREK XI trailer came on. And I innocently listened in on the reaction of the young workers who were watching the Trailer. They both thought it looked cool. The girl thought Pine was cute and the dude got excited at the FX shots they showed and they both recognized Sylar as Spock.

But then I saw a man/woman more my age and the man just shook his head and said it looked stupid and that no one would buy Pine as Kirk. Do you think, as I am starting to think, that the shadow of TOS really only is casted over those of us 35+ age old? I don't think today's generation has any idea who Shatner/Nimoy really were back then. Oh, they see Shatner on PRICELINE or maybe even Boston Legal, but I think TOS is becoming, as it should after 40+ years, a memory of pop-culture. In ten years, twenty years, it will be even more so...

Or am I reading this wrong? Will the shadow of star trek, and I mean TOS, never truly fade into 'what was'?

Rob

The reason that guy said it is because he's a casual viewer who remembers, "Yeah, we used to watch Star Trek. It was a Science Fiction show on TV." and that's that. He is not some rabid fan who eats, sleeps, breathes, and yearns for posing on a BBS. Therefore, he is not in the target demographic that this film appeals. No biggie.

I KNOW! Can you believe that people actually go online and post messages about this stupid show....what losers!

 

[Ryan Thomas Riddle]

I live here in san diego...it may be on, but you wouldn't know it if you had a microscope...And if I as a TREK fan cant find it, then that doesn't bode well for new fans....and not everyone gets that channel on basic cable.. I know because I don't

Rob

It isn't that hard to find, especially with the internet. Simply type in Star Trek, syndication, and San Diego into google search -- it pops up rather quickly. Moreover, I grew up in San Diego and lived here for most of my life, and, as far as I remember, channel 13 in all its various forms has been part of basic cable especially through the Cox provider. Cox has the majority of the San Diego cable market. Not only has Ch. 13 been part of basic, it's also been available through the ol' rabbit ears.


When TOS remastered came out, MYTV 13 did an exhaustive job of marketing it with promos and commercials.

You state over and over that this "lack of syndication" doesn't bode well for pulling in new fans. Hogwash.

The entire run of TOS is available online via CBS's youtube channel and on the CBS website. Parents who are fans of TOS introduce the series to their children. I had one co-worker who watched the entire run with her teenage children on DVD.

Last semester, I showed a clip of TOS to prove a point in my semiotics lecture to my freshmen students. The majority of them were more than familiar with Shatner, Nimoy, and Kelly as the iconic trio. Hell, a lot of them thought it was "wicked cool."

Right now, Paramount/CBS are making the biggest push of new TOS merchandise seen in recent years, including an across-the-board branding of Star Trek (original) name. In other words, all TOS products carry the same packaging style to identify it as TOS and TOS alone, separate from the new movie.

Then there's the Star Trek Quogs that's on products and the go animate website. See: http://trekmovie.com/2009/02/12/cbs...-tos-character-designs-for-multiple-products/

 

[Falconfire]

What do you mean no syndication? TOS is on all the time on like three different stations.

In the New York City tri-state area TOS has been off syndication for about 20 years. I know someone will come along and tell me exactly when. The closest thing I got to syndication after that is when TVLand started to air it for the 40th anniversary... and that didn't last very long. I tried to enlist the support of my fellow trekkers for a massive email blitz upon them...but alas, I garnered little support...but I digress and that was another life....

I was at BEST BUY this weekend, finally getting my new TV, and while I was there the TREK XI trailer came on. And I innocently listened in on the reaction of the young workers who were watching the Trailer. They both thought it looked cool. The girl thought Pine was cute and the dude got excited at the FX shots they showed and they both recognized Sylar as Spock.

But then I saw a man/woman more my age and the man just shook his head and said it looked stupid and that no one would buy Pine as Kirk. Do you think, as I am starting to think, that the shadow of TOS really only is casted over those of us 35+ age old? I don't think today's generation has any idea who Shatner/Nimoy really were back then. Oh, they see Shatner on PRICELINE or maybe even Boston Legal, but I think TOS is becoming, as it should after 40+ years, a memory of pop-culture. In ten years, twenty years, it will be even more so...

Or am I reading this wrong? Will the shadow of star trek, and I mean TOS, never truly fade into 'what was'?

Rob

The reason that guy said it is because he's a casual viewer who remembers, "Yeah, we used to watch Star Trek. It was a Science Fiction show on TV." and that's that. He is not some rabid fan who eats, sleeps, breathes, and yearns for posing on a BBS. Therefore, he is not in the target demographic that this film appeals. No biggie.

I KNOW! Can you believe that people actually go online and post messages about this stupid show....what losers!

Channel 9 on sundays, been there for the last 2 years.

You welcome.

BTW its never left syndication dude in the tri state area, it was on 11 for decades. Maybe late at night after honeymooners, but it was there.

 

[Cakes488]

What do you mean no syndication? TOS is on all the time on like three different stations.

In the New York City tri-state area TOS has been off syndication for about 20 years. I know someone will come along and tell me exactly when. The closest thing I got to syndication after that is when TVLand started to air it for the 40th anniversary... and that didn't last very long. I tried to enlist the support of my fellow trekkers for a massive email blitz upon them...but alas, I garnered little support...but I digress and that was another life....

The reason that guy said it is because he's a casual viewer who remembers, "Yeah, we used to watch Star Trek. It was a Science Fiction show on TV." and that's that. He is not some rabid fan who eats, sleeps, breathes, and yearns for posing on a BBS. Therefore, he is not in the target demographic that this film appeals. No biggie.

I KNOW! Can you believe that people actually go online and post messages about this stupid show....what losers!

Channel 9 on sundays, been there for the last 2 years.

You welcome.

BTW its never left syndication dude in the tri state area, it was on 11 for decades. Maybe late at night after honeymooners, but it was there.

What time on Sundays? They yanked that from channel 9 awhile ago...please let me know if I'm wrong about that...and thank you...

It most certainly has not been on in syndication in the NY area for quite some time...do you realize how long ago it was on at midnight after the honeymooners?? And the odd couple was on before the H-mooners, believe me I remember that lineup like it was yesterday....... and that was a looooong time ago we're talking about...not in recent times. I think when Sci-FI channel came into existence Trek really took a leave of absense on "regular tv"...

 

[RAMA]

I was at BEST BUY this weekend, finally getting my new TV, and while I was there the TREK XI trailer came on. And I innocently listened in on the reaction of the young workers who were watching the Trailer. They both thought it looked cool. The girl thought Pine was cute and the dude got excited at the FX shots they showed and they both recognized Sylar as Spock.

But then I saw a man/woman more my age and the man just shook his head and said it looked stupid and that no one would buy Pine as Kirk. Do you think, as I am starting to think, that the shadow of TOS really only is casted over those of us 35+ age old? I don't think today's generation has any idea who Shatner/Nimoy really were back then. Oh, they see Shatner on PRICELINE or maybe even Boston Legal, but I think TOS is becoming, as it should after 40+ years, a memory of pop-culture. In ten years, twenty years, it will be even more so...

Or am I reading this wrong? Will the shadow of star trek, and I mean TOS, never truly fade into 'what was'?

Rob

I think its sad people my(our) age can't be open to new things.

RAMA

 

[Cakes488]

I was at BEST BUY this weekend, finally getting my new TV, and while I was there the TREK XI trailer came on. And I innocently listened in on the reaction of the young workers who were watching the Trailer. They both thought it looked cool. The girl thought Pine was cute and the dude got excited at the FX shots they showed and they both recognized Sylar as Spock.

But then I saw a man/woman more my age and the man just shook his head and said it looked stupid and that no one would buy Pine as Kirk. Do you think, as I am starting to think, that the shadow of TOS really only is casted over those of us 35+ age old? I don't think today's generation has any idea who Shatner/Nimoy really were back then. Oh, they see Shatner on PRICELINE or maybe even Boston Legal, but I think TOS is becoming, as it should after 40+ years, a memory of pop-culture. In ten years, twenty years, it will be even more so...

Or am I reading this wrong? Will the shadow of star trek, and I mean TOS, never truly fade into 'what was'?

Rob

I think its sad people my(our) age can't be open to new things.

RAMA

Because this guy overheard two older people talking in circut city about nobody buying Pine as Kirk that means the 35+ crowd can't be open to new things? Don't you think that is a ridiculously generalized statement...? Yeah I thought you would.

 

[Ssosmcin]

Trek aired on WPIX well into the 90's, but not as often toward the end of their rights period. You had to look for it and hoped for the best. Then the rights were grabbed up by the Sci-Fi Channel which had it until 2004 (they were part of the basic cable package long before this so many people had access). Then TV Land and G4 ran the series. Finally, TOS-R hit the air all over the dial in NY.

So, really, aside from a relatively short gap at the end of the 90's, Trek was always available in the New York City area, it just left our local syndie stations when SFC bought it. It certainly didn't vanish so much that "nobody young know what the hell it is."

If there was NO recognition, they'd have made the movie about other characters. Besides, I know a number of under 30 year olds who are well aware of the original series.

 

[RAMA]

I was at BEST BUY this weekend, finally getting my new TV, and while I was there the TREK XI trailer came on. And I innocently listened in on the reaction of the young workers who were watching the Trailer. They both thought it looked cool. The girl thought Pine was cute and the dude got excited at the FX shots they showed and they both recognized Sylar as Spock.

But then I saw a man/woman more my age and the man just shook his head and said it looked stupid and that no one would buy Pine as Kirk. Do you think, as I am starting to think, that the shadow of TOS really only is casted over those of us 35+ age old? I don't think today's generation has any idea who Shatner/Nimoy really were back then. Oh, they see Shatner on PRICELINE or maybe even Boston Legal, but I think TOS is becoming, as it should after 40+ years, a memory of pop-culture. In ten years, twenty years, it will be even more so...

Or am I reading this wrong? Will the shadow of star trek, and I mean TOS, never truly fade into 'what was'?

Rob

I think its sad people my(our) age can't be open to new things.

RAMA

Because this guy overheard two older people talking in circut city about nobody buying Pine as Kirk that means the 35+ crowd can't be open to new things? Don't you think that is a ridiculously generalized statement...? Yeah I thought you would.

Nah because of the TOS forum...........AND because this guy overheard two older people talking in circut city about nobody buying Pine as Kirk that means the 35+ crowd can't be open to new things.

 

[Cakes488]

I think its sad people my(our) age can't be open to new things.

RAMA

Because this guy overheard two older people talking in circut city about nobody buying Pine as Kirk that means the 35+ crowd can't be open to new things? Don't you think that is a ridiculously generalized statement...? Yeah I thought you would.

Nah because of the TOS forum...........AND because this guy overheard two older people talking in circut city about nobody buying Pine as Kirk that means the 35+ crowd can't be open to new things.

I love how you diffuse me....I wasn't expecting this and I don't know how to react to civility...whatever do I do?

If the movie is half way decent and these actors are somewhat likeabe the old TOS-ers will come around....damn this board is gonna be hopping after the 8th!