It's not canon, if they leave this information out of the show.
Star Trek does this a lot.
Star Trek does this a lot.
Spoilers The Klingons Make No (Strategic) Sense
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I do wonder how much of the Klingon story line was incomplete after Fuller was gone.
Yes? We've seen plenty of non-puritans. Basically every Klingon other than L'Rell and the Sarcophagus crew.
Episode dialogue has it like this:
"Some bones date back thousands of years, others only hours old. Their entire ship is covered with coffins."
Nothing is stated of the age of the ship, which may well be 200 years. And some coffins may well be 300 years old, but some may be older, and some of the bones definitely are.
Timo Saloniemi
Pretty sure that's intentional, as this is pretty much exactly what Kol is.
Aside from not having any hair, Kol and his crew where a different type of armor than the rest of the Klingons (particularly L'Rell). They also don't seem to give two shits about their dead, much to L'Rell's chagrin.
Their not having hair might just be an oversight by the makeup department, but it would be interesting to see if L'Rell's hair starts growing now that she's a prisoner and now allowed to shave it regularly.
This is my impression of Star Trek Discovery klingons: "waa waaa you're stealing our identity"
Quite honestly, it's impossible to tell the motivations of the Klingons as a whole, because we have only had substantial speaking roles from T'Kumva, Voq, L'Rell, and Kol. Maybe two other Klingons in the entire series have had a line or two of dialogue. It's one of the reasons I don't understand the claim that the goal of the show was to "flesh the Klingons out more" because a single, not-particularly good episode of DS9 (say Soldiers of the Empire) gave us more insight into the Klingon race than nine episodes of Discovery have to date.
There is only one puritan Klingon left, Voq. For now, he is missing.
T'Kuvma is dead. His "house" is dead or disbanded. His sacred ship destroyed.
Kol, T'Kuvma's usurper, is now dead, his united empire shattered, unless someone immediately steps up to the plate, but why would they? Kol formed his alliance with bribery, and fear. All those other houses have what they want, and no longer need fear Kol.
We are left with typical Klingons, save one or two Klingon spies....unless the messiah returns in an alternate dimension.
T'Kuvma is dead. His "house" is dead or disbanded. His sacred ship destroyed.
Kol, T'Kuvma's usurper, is now dead, his united empire shattered, unless someone immediately steps up to the plate, but why would they? Kol formed his alliance with bribery, and fear. All those other houses have what they want, and no longer need fear Kol.
We are left with typical Klingons, save one or two Klingon spies....unless the messiah returns in an alternate dimension.
It might seem an odd reason to not get the Klingons but I've found having the subtitles a frustrating way of trying to literally understand them. The 'product' that is a Klingon here is hard work. Much of what they are doing is positioning so Michael can be pivotal in the conflict, it's a writers' strategy. That being said the Klingons made more sense in the last episode than Starfleet. The transmitter on Pahvo was supposed to allow Starfleet the ability to detect cloaked vessels. Yet Starfleet ordered Discovery to 'save itself' and go back to Federation space to help other scientists devise a solution to... solving the invisibility of Klingon cloaked vessels. What the? The answer was right in front of them. You'd think that would be a fight worth taking just for their own war efforts. If Lorca expected Discovery at warp 5 to take three hours to get back to base couldn't within the same amount of time if not less other Starfleet vessels be sent to Pahvo to support Discovery defend the Phavans and this precious transmitter? What is with these Starfleet Admirals?
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Mirror Universe T'Kuvma? Yes, please.
Please make him a pacifist. Like, instead of a figurative Klingon Jesus, a literal Klingon Jesus.
At that point, though, Starfleet knew that it wasn't panning out: even with the Pahvans "cooperating", things were just getting worse. Imagine if the Pahvans decided to be "indifferent" or even "hostile"!'
Indeed, the real strategic mystery here is why Lorca wasn't ordered to slag the planet before he left. If the Klingons landed there and yelled and spat and tore and burned, perhaps the Pahvans would become their staunchest allies and give them all sorts of superpowers?
Timo Saloniemi
I take the point on the Black Fleet. It’s for dead warriors. Need to reread Final Reflection.
I am still of the camp that the Klingons are making poor strategic choices. They throw away one cloaking device essentially for nothing. The other sits out the war for months before someone remembers to get it. Remember the reaction to Genesis? “Great Power”. You’d think a dozen houses in person would not leave the Binary stars without it. (Especially since Kol came back for it anyway).
This is not to say the Voq plan is working out well either. Even if he is Tyler - if - it’s a small miracle his gal pal is on the same ship at all. And to date the strategy has produced - nothing.
I hear you that the Klingons may only want hit and runs. Or are only organized for such raids. But I wouldn’t antagonize the Federation for that.
I am still of the camp that the Klingons are making poor strategic choices. They throw away one cloaking device essentially for nothing. The other sits out the war for months before someone remembers to get it. Remember the reaction to Genesis? “Great Power”. You’d think a dozen houses in person would not leave the Binary stars without it. (Especially since Kol came back for it anyway).
This is not to say the Voq plan is working out well either. Even if he is Tyler - if - it’s a small miracle his gal pal is on the same ship at all. And to date the strategy has produced - nothing.
I hear you that the Klingons may only want hit and runs. Or are only organized for such raids. But I wouldn’t antagonize the Federation for that.
Don't underestimate the power of vindictiveness.
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