Discussion in 'Star Trek: The Next Generation' started by Amaraen, Nov 23, 2015.
Am I the only one who winces when Captain Picard says this? (Sorry just saw this episode recently)
Someone has mentioned this recently somewhere else.
We need a monitor for non-sequiturs.
Nah, this is just JLP giving credit were credit is due.
Some "Empires" don't put any effort into being "Empires". They are kind of ho-hum, meh, boring "empires". They are "empires" with a distinctly SMALL 'e'.
What I personally call "No-effort-empires".
By calling the Klingon Empire, the Klingon Imperial Empire - JPL is commending the Klingon Empire for being a full-on Empire as opposed to the lazy, little dippy, knock-off empires that litter the galaxy and who frankly should be prosecuted under the federation false advertising act.
So instead of grimacing or wincing or blowing up in abject rage we should gently nod with approval that the writers have included for Picard a keen palette in respect as to what truly passes for a genuine bona fide Empire and what are, frankly, cheap imitation "empires".
This is the only time in any Trek episode or movie when the term "imperial empire" was used. Perhaps Picard had taken a lot of coursework at Starfleet Academy's Department of Redundancies Department. Seriously, there is no other kind of empire besides the "imperial" kind.
I've read fan speculation that because of the many competing Klingon factions, Gowron's faction had clearly labeled itself as the "Imperial Empire" as a mark of authenticity and legitimacy.
In Earth's history, there have been examples of countries that called themselves "empires" but were really nothing of the sort. Nobody gave themselves the formal name of "Imperial Empire" to set themselves apart, though.
I doubt the writers of the episode were giving it that much thought. It strikes me as a brain fart that nobody bothered to point out throughout the whole production process, for whatever reason.
No, you are not.
When the Enterprise left, did Picard order a course set for the Federated Federation of Planetary Planets?
I think what Ronald D. Moore may have had in mind here by adding the seemingly redundant word "Imperial" to Klingon Empire was a nod to what the Japanese called their empire: Dai Nippon Teikoku, literally Greater Japanese Empire.
There was an infamous Japanese WWII film released in 1982 with that exact title (Dai Nippon Teikoku) which was a defense of Japanese Imperialism. The U.S. title was translated as The Imperial Japanese Empire. It's just a guess on my part, but it's certainly within the realm of possibility that Moore thought of this film (or the translation) while writing the teleplay for "Sins of the Father."
That specific translation of Dai Nippon Teikoku also appears in the subtitle of the book Downfall: The End of the Imperial Japanese Empire by Richard Frank.
I wince a little too, but it's not much worse than United Federation of Planets.
Why have both United AND Federation?
The only reason that I might wince is because of Picard's odd sounding word order. I wonder why he didn't say "Imperial Klingon Empire". It seems more natural sounding to put the word imperial before the nationality, like Imperial Japanese Empire.
...which is an expression used nowhere else by anybody, ever, except for Richard Frank's book and in the English title of the awful movie mentioned above.
I think we can clear this all up. Gowron had ordered new stationary for the Empire, but some typist put in "Klingon Imperial Empire" and Gowron couldn't afford to redo it. So, we he sent out letters, that was the stationary.
This never would have happened if the Klingons hadn't killed all the proofreader readers.
It was "Sins of the Father", where K'mpec was the chancellor.
"Imperial Klingon Empire" would have made slightly more sense, as there the adjective "imperial" is being used for the subject "Klingon". But as it is, the adjective is for "empire", but I guess it would be similar to "The Royal Kingdom"?
The Jet Propulsion Laboratory?
They're overcompensating for the fact that the Klingon (Imperial) Empire has no emperor.
Another question occurs to me: Is there a Klingon Metric Empire?
Also, in more serious tone, I was researching some old tech style manuals, and a lot of the Klingon uniforms had titles like "Klingon Imperial Fleet uniform. Not sure if that influenced the line or not but I found it interesting. Besides that, I can't think of a single time Klingons had "Imperial" attached as a descriptor.
Not nearly as bad as Imperious Leader.
Just so we can call her the USS Enterprise lol. Guess they didnt like the sound of the FSS Enterprise
I think they should've called themselves the Alliance of Planets. Then every Stafleet vessel would start with the prefix ASS
In the real world, the more synonyms for 'democratic' you have in your country's official name, the more a dictatorship it is.
"The Klingon Kingly Kingdom" has an interesting ring to it.
United Federated Republic of Democratic Free Sovereign Planets
Separate names with a comma.