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The Inhumans Marvel/IMAX

kirk55555 said:
As far as I can tell,
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In other words, your usual knee jerk reaction.

kirk55555 said:
As far as I can tell, he's like the Smallville people (no costumes, no powers or elements he considers too "unrealistic")
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He's using the iron fist instead of making Danny just another martial artist. Sounds like unrealistic powers will be a thing on this show. Just as they are on Luke Cage, Daredevil and Jessica Jones.

kirk55555 said:
Marvel sometimes hires them, but apparently the Netflix/tv shows (not counting AoS) are where they hire the people who hate the material to adapt that material into shows.
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Changing the source material to fit the medium doesn't equal hating it. Few things go from page to screen with out some alterations. So far the Netflix shows have been head and shoulders above AoS on all fronts. Then again to my mind, the CW shows are head and shoulders above AoS as well.
 
If you actually paid attention to the articles and things that have come out about Inhumans it's pretty clear that pretty much everything you've said is totaly bullshit Kirk. All of the announcements have discussed the characters powers, and they even included a comics accurate description of Lockjaw.
As for Iron Fist, he said was that Danny was still "discovering who he is as a hero" and won't be wearing his costume yet, je didn't necesarrily say we'll never see the costume. We've already seen in the trailers that Danny will have his powers, and based of off one of the lines I saw quoted there's even a possibility we'll see a dragon on the show.
I don't really see the issue, I was under the impression that Iron Fist tended to be a bit more grounded anyways.
Just because someone does a story one way, doesn't mean that ever story they ever do is always going to be done in the exact same way. Gene Rodenberry went from writing for a cop show to doing Star Trek, and George Lucas did American Grafitti along with the Star Wars movies. There are plenty of creators out there who have done realistic grounded stories and then also gone on to do big full scale sci-fi and fantasy stories. So just because Buck decided to take a more grounded approach to Iron Fist doesn't necessarily mean he'll take the same approach to Inhumans. A truly good writer can recognize what kind of approach a story needs and follow it.
 
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Nerys Myk said:
He's using the iron fist instead of making Danny just another martial artist. Sounds like unrealistic powers will be a thing on this show. Just as they are on Luke Cage, Daredevil and Jessica Jones.
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Jessica Jones only had really unrealistic powers because of Purple Man. Jessica herself was so hilariously underpowered it was ridiculous. heck, Luke Cage in Jessica Jones was a lot more underpowered there then he was in his own show, presumably because the JJ producer/showrunner/etc didn't want to show anything too "unrealistic". You'd think a show with Kilgrave wouldn't find actual super strength too "out there", but maybe it was them being cheap more then not wanting to show her powers. As for Danny, they already basically said his powers won't be mystical, and neither will Kun-Lun. So, he's just a bland metahuman martial artist. I mean, that's better then powerless, but I bet his "iron fist" will either be very weak or something he can barely use.

Nerys Myk said:
Changing the source material to fit the medium doesn't equal hating it. Few things go from page to screen with out some alterations. So far the Netflix shows have been head and shoulders above AoS on all fronts. Then again to my mind, the CW shows are head and shoulders above AoS as well.
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AoS at its worst is usually better then netflix at its best. AoS at its best is always better then Netflix at its best. netflix's only good Marvel shows (Luke Cage and the first season of Daredevi) were ok, but had huge problems (the weird villain switch off in Luke Cage, and Daredevil's supporting castr being complete garbage outside of the villain).

Also, respecting the source material is always the superior option. Some changes are usually required, but the netflix shows have generally not done necessary changes, they change shit because they want to be more like Nolan's crap and not the MCU.


JD said:
If you actually paid attention to the articles and things that have come out about Inhumans it's pretty clear that pretty much everything you've said is totaly bullshit Kirk. All of the announcements have discussed the characters powers, and they even included a comics accurate description of Lockjaw.
As for Iron Fist, he said was that Danny was still "discovering who he is as a hero" and won't be wearing his costume yet, je didn't necesarrily say we'll never see the costume. We've already seen in the trailers that Danny will have his powers, and based of off one of the lines I saw quoted there's even a possibility we'll see a dragon on the show.
I don't really see the issue, I was under the impression that Iron Fist tended to be a bit more grounded anyways.
Just because someone does a story one way, doesn't mean that ever story they ever do is always going to be done in the exact same way. Gene Rodenberry went from writing for a cop show to doing Star Trek, and George Lucas did American Grafitti along with the Star Wars movies. There are plenty of creators out there who have done realistic grounded stories and then also gone on to do big full scale sci-fi and fantasy stories. So just because Buck decided to take a more grounded approach to Iron Fist doesn't necessarily mean he'll take the same approach to Inhumans. A truly good writer can recognize what kind of approach a story needs and follow it.
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No one goes from "grounded" superhero production to a good superhero production. If he hates the stuff in IF, he'll work as hard as possibly to remove as much good stuff from Inhumans as he can. How much control he'll get could be different, but its still a terriuble choice and has basically doomed the show. I've paid complete attention to the articles, and nothing they say compensates for the idiot in charge's crap "nolan-ish" attitude toward superheroes.
 
kirk55555 said:
Jessica Jones only had really unrealistic powers because of Purple Man. Jessica herself was so hilariously underpowered it was ridiculous. heck, Luke Cage in Jessica Jones was a lot more underpowered there then he was in his own show, presumably because the JJ producer/showrunner/etc didn't want to show anything too "unrealistic". You'd think a show with Kilgrave wouldn't find actual super strength too "out there", but maybe it was them being cheap more then not wanting to show her powers. As for Danny, they already basically said his powers won't be mystical, and neither will Kun-Lun. So, he's just a bland metahuman martial artist. I mean, that's better then powerless, but I bet his "iron fist" will either be very weak or something he can barely use.
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Know a lot of people with superstrength and bullet proof skin, do you?
Either they said it or they didn't. What's the exact quote.
kirk55555 said:
AoS at its worst is usually better then netflix at its best. AoS at its best is always better then Netflix at its best. netflix's only good Marvel shows (Luke Cage and the first season of Daredevi) were ok, but had huge problems (the weird villain switch off in Luke Cage, and Daredevil's supporting castr being complete garbage outside of the villain).
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I find AoS bland and uninspiring. A tragic waste of good actors on weak material. It's fidelity to the source material isn't exactly stellar either.
 
kirk55555 said:
No one goes from "grounded" superhero production to a good superhero production. If he hates the stuff in IF, he'll work as hard as possibly to remove as much good stuff from Inhumans as he can. How much control he'll get could be different, but its still a terriuble choice and has basically doomed the show. I've paid complete attention to the articles, and nothing they say compensates for the idiot in charge's crap "nolan-ish" attitude toward superheroes.
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Where has he said he hates the stuff in IF? I've never seen that even implied anywhere. Just because he chose to make some changes to Iron Fist, doesn't mean he hates it, it just means he chose to take things in a specific direction and doesn't rule out him taking things in a different direction for Inhumans.
And doing a grounded take on one superhero, doesn't rule out the going for a more fantastic take on different ones later. Plenty of writers write in multiple genres, and this wouldn't be any different.
Hell, Joss Whedon wrote for Roseanne and Parenthood before he did Buffy, Carlton Cuse, who created Lost, The Strain, and Colony, also created Nash Bridges, Martial Law, and Bates Motel. Greg Berlanti worked on Dawson's Creek, Everwood, and Jack & Bobby before he created The Arrowverse shows.
Besides, doesn't Iron Fist already tend to be one of the more grounded series in the comics? I know we have the mystical stuff with K'un Lun, and the Iron Fist itself, but it's not like he's running around fighting aliens, or going to other planets or something.
 
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JD said:
Where has he said he hates the stuff in IF? I've never seen that even implied anywhere. Just because he chose to make some changes to Iron Fist, doesn't mean he hates it, it just means he chose to take things in a specific direction and doesn't rule out him taking things in a different direction for Inhumans.
And doing a grounded take on one superhero, doesn't rule out the going for a more fantastic take on different ones later. Plenty of writers write in multiple genres, and this wouldn't be any different.
Hell, Joss Whedon wrote for Roseanne and Parenthood before he did Buffy, Carlton Cuse, who created Lost, The Strain, and Colony, also created Nash Bridges, Martial Law, and Bates Motel. Greg Berlanti worked on Dawson's Creek, Everwood, and Jack & Bobby before he created The Arrowverse shows.
Besides, doesn't Iron Fist already tend to be one of the more grounded series in the comics? I know we have the mystical stuff with K'un Lun, and the Iron Fist itself, but it's not like he's running around fighting aliens, or going to other planets or something.
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Iron Fist fought a dragon at one point in his origin I think, and from what I remember Kun-Lun is a mystical city, and the mystical stuff is a big part of his whole thing. You don't have Iron Fist without the mystical stuff, which the people running IF already said they've majorly downplaying if not outright ignoring.

As for writers doing other things, that Whedon comparison is terrible. Roseanne is not like The Avengers, at all. Working in different genres/types of stories is different from changing to a different style of the same type of story. We're talking about going from a "grounded" superhero production to a real superhero show with the IF showrunner. You don't go from The Dark Knight to The Avengers, because someone who would make one can't make the other. They're polar opposites, and I think the one I consider good is obvious. Actually, you know what, I kind of take that back. The Dark Knight was mediocre in my opinion, but at least Batman and The Joker looked the part. That actually means that Nolan was closer to the comics then the IF people :wtf:

Anyway, its not like it really matters. Whats done is done. Its not even that the show is now ruined, it had no chance from the second they hired a Marvel netflix person to make the show. I've completely written off Inhumans. I'll hate watch the first episode when it debuts, because I like the real characters enough to look at something with their names on it, even if the names are the only thing being used. This is easily the biggest disappointment from Marvel for me, since I'm such a big Inhumans fan. I'm glad most of the TV junk has never even been mentioned in the movies, it makes it easier to ignore them and pretend they don't exist in the MCU.
 
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At this point, if the option was FOX making X-Men movies or Marvel making X-Men TV shows, FOX having the rights is the better option. Same with Fantastic Four, Fant4stic might suck but Marvel's TV/Netflix divisions probably couldn't do anything half as good as Fan4stic, and that movie is terrible. It is exactly the type of superhero production they love to make, though. In name only, super dark and broody. If the FF didn't have such obvious powers in the film you could have told me that the people behind Jessica Jones or Daredevil had made Fant4stic and I'd have believed you. Its basically a Marvel Netflix show in movie form, with admittedly probably worse writing in some areas then even a Marvel Netflix show but pretty similar besides that.

As for the black leather outfit, it does look like crap. I didn't expect the comic suit unmodified, but the guy does look like he was a deleted character from the original X-Men movie. I will admit to being shocked he's not wearing street clothes, but that's really just one step up from a t-shirt and jeans. Its probably the bare minimum they could dress him up and still claim it was some kind of costume or uniform.
 
kirk55555 said:
Iron Fist fought a dragon at one point in his origin I think, and from what I remember Kun-Lun is a mystical city, and the mystical stuff is a big part of his whole thing. You don't have Iron Fist without the mystical stuff, which the people running IF already said they've majorly downplaying if not outright ignoring.

As for writers doing other things, that Whedon comparison is terrible. Roseanne is not like The Avengers, at all. Working in different genres/types of stories is different from changing to a different style of the same type of story. We're talking about going from a "grounded" superhero production to a real superhero show with the IF showrunner. You don't go from The Dark Knight to The Avengers, because someone who would make one can't make the other. They're polar opposites, and I think the one I consider good is obvious. Actually, you know what, I kind of take that back. The Dark Knight was mediocre in my opinion, but at least Batman and The Joker looked the part. That actually means that Nolan was closer to the comics then the IF people :wtf:
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Going from grounded superheroes to more fantastic ones is simply changing genres, just like going from a normal sitcom or real world drama to something like Buffy. Hell even comic book writers go from grounded more realistic stuff to more fantastic stuff all the time and this is no different.
Greg Rucka has written Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Spider-Man, and The Punisher. This would be no different.
Brian Michael Bendis has written Daredevil, Avengers, and Guardians of the Galaxy.
Just because they wrote for some characters who were more grounded doesn't mean they are automatically going to make all of their characters that way.

You really just don't understand or respect writers at all, do you?
 
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JD said:
Going from grounded superheroes to more fantastic ones is simply changing genres, just like going from a normal sitcom or real world drama to something like Buffy. Hell even comic book writers go from grounded more realistic stuff to more fantastic stuff all the time and this is no different.
Greg Rucka has written Superman, Batman, Wonder Woman, Spider-Man, and The Punisher. This would be no different.
Brian Michael Bendis has written Daredevil, Avengers, and Guardians of the Galaxy.
Just because they wrote for some characters who were more grounded doesn't mean they are automatically going to make all of their characters that way.

You really just don't understand or respect writers at all, do you?
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I completely disagree with you. Its not like Daredevil and Superman are so polar opposite when it comes to the style of storytelling (with a good writer, at least). Superheroes are generally not "grounded" in the way some comic haters want, only TV shows/movies use "grounded" super characters. Bendis's Daredevil is no more "grounded" then his Guardians of the Galaxy book. Yeah, his Daredevil never traveled to space as far as I know, but having less flashy powers or fighting street crime doesn't make a character "grounded".

"Grounded", at least when we're referring to how some superhero movies/shows are referred to, is an asinine idea created by people who hate the comics but want to make money exploiting the brand. There is a huge difference between Rucka going from Wonder Woman to Punisher and the Netflix IF person going from "grounded" Netflix to a real superhero production. You can't even compare it to moving from sitcoms to other stuff, that is so ridiculous. People who make the "grounded" stuff are not capable of making the good superhero stuff. On the other hand, someone who writes for a sitcom isn't necessarily a bad choice for completely different work. Now, some heroes can be more "grouned" in comparison to others, at least in that some characters have less fantastic abilities or backstories then others. but, that's different then the kind of "grounded" that's referred to in describing a show

Also, I do respect writers. Good ones at least, people who don't hate the source material or try to "ground" it because they can't handle/don't like the real characters. The person in charge of Iron Fist is not one of those people. Which makes sense, because the Netflix shows don't hire people that like the source material, they hire people that have the same attitudes towards superhero adaptations as idiots like Josh Trank. I'm honestly surprised they haven't snatched Trank up, he's got to be hurting for work now and I'm sure there is some junk Netflix show coming out that needs a showrunner (Punisher maybe?). Writers/producers/etc don't get automatic respect though, especially in situations like this.

Anyway, its academic at this point. They're ruined their one chance to make a real Inhumans show by hiring a guy unworthy of cleaning Stan Lee's shoes to make some crappy "grounded" show using names of Inhuman characters, and this is after ruining Iron Fist with the same guy. I've come to terms with this, though. Its easily the biggest disappointment of the MCU for me. but, the real part of the franchise, the movies, is still going strong (generally speaking, I'm not so sure about GotG 2 but at worst it will just be about the same level as Thor 2). As long as the movies don't get effected by this nolan-esque "grounded" crap that effects most of Marvel TV (and the DCEU), the TV shows ruining a few characters is regrettable but doesn't effect the quality of the MCU in general. Maybe someday they'll come to their senses and overhaul the TV division, but until then DC has TV covered pretty well, and Marvel has movies. Its still a good time to be a superhero fan.
 
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Where have they said Inhumans will be grounded? Where exactly in the interviews have Scott Buck or Jeph Loeb or anyone involved said the Inhumans will be grounded? I haven't seen that anywhere, and don't give me your fucking whiny ass bullshit about how just because Buck is taking a more grounded approach with Iron Fist he has to be doing the same thing with Inhumans. Just because he decided that approach was appropriate for Iron Fist doesn't mean he'll make the same decision for Inhumans.
We've already seen (sort of) Lockjaw, so obviously it can't be too grounded.

It looks like we'll be getting some of Charles Soule's NuHuman characters in the series.
 
I think the outfit is fine. It fits with the general MCU aesthetic when it comes to dealing with the more OTT aspects of the comics costumes and trying to make the outfits look practical. And it never made any damn sense that the Inhumans wore masks in the first place.
 
JD said:
Where have they said Inhumans will be grounded? Where exactly in the interviews have Scott Buck or Jeph Loeb or anyone involved said the Inhumans will be grounded? I haven't seen that anywhere, and don't give me your fucking whiny ass bullshit about how just because Buck is taking a more grounded approach with Iron Fist he has to be doing the same thing with Inhumans. Just because he decided that approach was appropriate for Iron Fist doesn't mean he'll make the same decision for Inhumans.
We've already seen (sort of) Lockjaw, so obviously it can't be too grounded.

It looks like we'll be getting some of Charles Soule's NuHuman characters in the series.
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:rolleyes: Whatever. As far as I'm concerned, all of this grounded shit from IF/Marvel netflix in general has already ruined Inhumans. The show was dead from the second they hired one of the netflix morons to run it. I don't want to argue anymore. You're entitled to like what you want, but I'm going to call bullshit on all the nolan-esque crap whenever it pops up. But, there isn't any point arguing about a show that was dead from day one, and what's done is done. I'll hate watch the first episode of this gigantic pile of "grounded" crap, but that's it. Its just depressing to think about what they've ruined, and I'd rather think about/discuss the good Marvel stuff, and not waste any more time on the TV division that the Disney/MCU people in charge have obviously written off or just never gave a crap about to begin with.
 
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