Spoilers The Imperial Thread

[Timo]

I gather we could always argue a recent battlefield promotion or five, considering how those things are managed in the Empire... The wearer himself would probably be confused enough to dress up wrong. (And might pay for that with his life.)

Jedi "ranks" don't conform to a known preexisting system, that much is clear. But why would we lack the means of deciphering how many ranks there are? We get seven seasons of Clone Wars, and two ranks, with no fine structure to the pecking order other than the internal politics of the Jedi Order. That's pretty relevant statistics.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[CorporalCaptain]

I gather we could always argue a recent battlefield promotion or five, considering how those things are managed in the Empire... The wearer himself would probably be confused enough to dress up wrong. (And might pay for that with his life.)

Jedi "ranks" don't conform to a known preexisting system, that much is clear. But why would we lack the means of deciphering how many ranks there are? We get seven seasons of Clone Wars, and two ranks, with no fine structure to the pecking order other than the internal politics of the Jedi Order. That's pretty relevant statistics.

Timo Saloniemi

My point is that perhaps there are many steps between Padawan/Commander and Master/General that a Republic military officer (not a clone) could occupy. Do we know that there aren't? It would seem reasonable for a Padawan at least (if not a Knight or Master) to be able to receive guidance from an experienced officer of sufficiently high rank.

 

[Timo]

This might be a reasonable setup, but it doesn't seem to be the Clone Wars setup: we never witness officers superior to a Padawan-Commander who wouldn't be Jedi Generals.

We get plenty of wise old mentors who influence Padawan and even Jedi thinking, but only in the sense a veteran sergeant or petty officer can be the de facto commander of a field unit and de facto superior of its young officer.

It's statistics, is all. Sure, it's also studio limitations, a need to limit complexity and the number of characters. But with animation, that's not that much of a limit, especially as one face will suffice for everybody from raw trooper to decorated Lieutenant Colonel or Field Marshall...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[Ithekro]

I seem to recall Admiral Yularen outranking Commander Tano. Yet the only instance I can think of where that would be a thing when when General Skywalker was off on another ship, and Admiral Yularen was injured, leaving Commander Tano in charge of the mission. She did come up with a good plan that worked against B1 ship captains, and the injured Admiral approved it when he was able to stand.

A ship's captain might outrank a Jedi Commander, but we don't see many instances of Republic Naval Captains interacting with Padawans without their Master (the General) present.

My guess is that the Jedi/Republic placed padawans as Commanders in naval terms so they could lead the Starfighter wings of the new Star Destroyers, while the Knights would be Generals so they could command the armies, and yet be equal in rank to any naval Admiral that might be present.

There are Clone ranks that are equal or greater than Jedi Commanders. There were Clone Commanders (Rex was promoted to one near the end of the war to take part of the 501st to Mandalore, with former Commander Tano as an advisor), But there is also the Clone Marshal Commander (like Cody) where where about equal to generals...maybe only needing to answer to a High General (a Jedi Master).

 

[Reverend]

Star Wars has always been a bit wishy-washy when it comes to military ranks. Best not to overthink it.

 

[publiusr]

A new Star Destroyer is under construction
https://www.therpf.com/forums/threads/devastator-star-destroyer-1-300.336378/page-3

The Finalizer in paper
https://www.therpf.com/forums/threads/star-destroyer-finalizer.340355/

Plans within plans
https://www.starwars.com/news/star-wars-inside-intel-palpatines-contingency-plan

order
https://www.cbr.com/obi-wan-kenobi-empire-people/
https://screenrant.com/star-wars-most-powerful-droids-bt1-r2d2/

Force ghosts
https://screenrant.com/star-wars-jedi-force-ghosts-origin-powers-canon/
https://screenrant.com/star-wars-force-doctor-aphra-spark-eternal-sith/
https://screenrant.com/star-wars-andor-coruscant-return-after-prequels/

OT: Watch those fireworks

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Armor
https://screenrant.com/darth-vader-armor-secret-sith-project-cylo-force/

The Sith Killer
https://screenrant.com/star-wars-sith-killer-ascendant-sword-new-lightsaber/

Fan dub
https://screenrant.com/star-wars-darth-vader-voice-dub-edit-video/

 

[fireproof78]

Operation Cinder: worst canon decision ever.

Except for Anakin building 3PO.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Pretty much this. In ROTJ, there was even that costuming error where Jerjerrod's costumed rank plaque obviously made no since.

I think this is how Rebel ranks go. Going by the rank pips worn in the OT and R1:

One pip: Lieutenant
Two: Captain
Three, inverted pyramid: Major
Three, normal pyramid: Commander
Four: Colonel
Five: General/Admiral

Pips are red (Army/X-wing pilots), blue (Navy), or green (Intelligence).

As for Imperial ranks: No idea, although if Piett is any indication it looks like Admiral is one rank above Captain.

 

[Tuskin38]

Military ranks in general
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Military_rank
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Military_rank/Legends

Imperial and Republic

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Rank_insignia_plaque
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Rank_insignia_plaque/Legends

Oddly, there's no page for the Rebel rank insignia.

There's one for the resistance
https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Resistance_rank_badge

 

[publiusr]

Operation Cinder: worst canon decision ever.

Except for Anakin building 3PO.

True.
To me, Vader under the mask is Colm Feore’s Lord Marshal

 

[Reverend]

No, Cinder makes perfect sense. Palpatine had no intention of letting someone else glom onto his legacy. The whole point of his Empire was that it was HIS Empire. If it outlived him then it failed in it's purpose to serve him and thus does not deserve to continue to exist and should be set to self-destruct. He was nothing if not a petty, spiteful bastard.

The dumbest decision was actually bringing the old bugger back to life, but that's a whole other debate.

 

[fireproof78]

Palpatine having such a plan makes sense. That it got so far and the destruction wrought is the worst and I loathe that choice.

 

[CorporalCaptain]

https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Rank_insignia_plaque

Glyn Dillon's chart for Rogue One given in that article (cited below) isn't screen-accurate. Galen Erso's rank plaque had four yellow tiles and a red tile, not five yellow tiles and a red tile (rank of "ops colonel").

https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/s...gue_One.png/revision/latest?cb=20180527205657

Perhaps someone decided that he should be an ops major instead?

 

[Reverend]

Palpatine having such a plan makes sense. That it got so far and the destruction wrought is the worst and I loathe that choice.

Well it wouldn't have been a terribly well thought out plan if it didn't at least *mostly* work, would it?

Honestly, it's main function from a meta perspective is account for how *an entire Empire* could be overthrown so quickly after just one dude was removed from the hierarchy. Without it, the more likely scenario is a Byzantine type situation where after a brief power struggle, half of the Empire falls while the other half just goes on it's merry way regardless.

And really speaking, Cinder was just Palpatine putting a match to the powder keg. The Empire was by design filled with a bunch of over ambitious, selfish, corrupt, greedy incompetent bastards with overlapping areas of mid-level power and responsibility so they'd expend 99% of their energy trying to eat each other alive instead of uniting and plotting anything approaching a serious coup attempt. It didn't single handedly demolish the Empire, it just put enough pressure on the in-built weak points so the whole thing would just collapse under it's own weight.

 

[fireproof78]

Well it wouldn't have been a terribly well thought out plan if it didn't at least *mostly* work, would it?

Honestly, it's main function from a meta perspective is account for how *an entire Empire* could be overthrown so quickly after just one dude was removed from the hierarchy. Without it, the more likely scenario is a Byzantine type situation where after a brief power struggle, half of the Empire falls while the other half just goes on it's merry way regardless.

And really speaking, Cinder was just Palpatine putting a match to the powder keg. The Empire was by design filled with a bunch of over ambitious, selfish, corrupt, greedy incompetent bastards with overlapping areas of mid-level power and responsibility so they'd expend 99% of their energy trying to eat each other alive instead of uniting and plotting anything approaching a serious coup attempt. It didn't single handedly demolish the Empire, it just put enough pressure on the in-built weak points so the whole thing would just collapse under it's own weight.

Again, I understand the purpose, I understand what it serves and even appreciate that it severely weakened any efforts on the part of the Rebel Alliance moving to rebuild the Republic extremely difficult.

It is still a terrible story choice. Destruction just isn't that interesting. Honestly, the Byzantine situation is more interesting.

 

[Tuskin38]

The newer stuff seems to be brining back the Imperial Remnant/warlord concept from the EU that was mostly ignored by the first post-ROTJ novels after the canon split.

The first Post-ROTJ novels just seemed to treat the empire has mostly vanishing, with just a couple holdouts.

Gideon seemed pretty powerful, and Thrawn is still out there in the shadows, like in the EU.

 

[publiusr]

Don't rreally know where to post this besides here---but the Galoob type Micromachines are back thanks to Jazwares:
https://sg.news.yahoo.com/star-wars...galaxy-squadron-vehicle-reveal-160102727.html
https://www.superherohype.com/geek-...hicles-bring-back-action-fleet-style#/slide/1

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[fireproof78]

Don't rreally know where to post this besides here---but the Galoob type Micromachines are back thanks to Jazwares:

The best news about that is that they are releasing a Jedi Starfighter which was canned before release by Hasbro. Super excited for a lot of these.

 

[Ithekro]

Reminds me of the old Kenner metal micro figures with a few vehicles and a bunch of playsets that came out following ESB.

 

[fireproof78]

Reminds me of the old Kenner metal micro figures with a few vehicles and a bunch of playsets that came out following ESB.

Those were amazing work. Still have some great detail for the time. The figures didn't age well but I love the playsets in conjunction with my Micro Machines or Action Fleet.