The Hobbit: Battle of the Five Armies Grade/Discuss (Spoilers)

[Skywalker]

Heck, he wouldn't even have been known as Aragorn by then. When he was a child he was called Estel, and didn't start going by his true name until Elrond revealed his heritage when he became an adult.

If Warner Bros. ever does another Tolkien movie in the near future, a story about Aragorn in his younger days could be pretty interesting. And all of the relevant material comes from LOTR's Appendices, so if they ever decide to go that route they'd be well within their rights.

 

[Corran Horn]

Keep meaning to grab the 3D EE for this last entry. The other two were nice presentations.

 

[fireproof78]

Heck, he wouldn't even have been known as Aragorn by then. When he was a child he was called Estel, and didn't start going by his true name until Elrond revealed his heritage when he became an adult.

If Warner Bros. ever does another Tolkien movie in the near future, a story about Aragorn in his younger days could be pretty interesting. And all of the relevant material comes from LOTR's Appendices, so if they ever decide to go that route they'd be well within their rights.

I'm impressed. You manage to actually get my interest in the potential for another ME film by WB.

I guess hope is not lost.

 

[Skywalker]

Heck, he wouldn't even have been known as Aragorn by then. When he was a child he was called Estel, and didn't start going by his true name until Elrond revealed his heritage when he became an adult.

If Warner Bros. ever does another Tolkien movie in the near future, a story about Aragorn in his younger days could be pretty interesting. And all of the relevant material comes from LOTR's Appendices, so if they ever decide to go that route they'd be well within their rights.

I'm impressed. You manage to actually get my interest in the potential for another ME film by WB.

I guess hope is not lost.

Well, most of the available storyline is more of a series of barely-detailed vignettes than an actual plot. Aragorn learning his true heritage, meeting Arwen for the first time, setting off into the wilds and living with the remaining Dúnedain, befriending Gandalf, fighting in the service of King Thengel of Rohan and Steward Ecthelion of Gondor (under an assumed name), his brief rivalry with young Denethor, leading an assault from Gondor against the corsairs' haven and slaying their leader, then later tracking Gollum and bringing him to the Wood-elves' kingdom in Mirkwood so Gandalf could question him. There isn't really any sort of narrative through line in there, though I'm sure any skilled writer could come up with one.

The prologue could maybe describe the downfall of Númenor and the beginning of Elendil's kingdoms in Middle-earth, and the eventual fall of the North-kingdom (Arnor) and the end of the royal bloodline in the South-kingdom (Gondor).

 

[Gaith]

If Warner Bros. ever does another Tolkien movie in the near future, a story about Aragorn in his younger days could be pretty interesting. And all of the relevant material comes from LOTR's Appendices, so if they ever decide to go that route they'd be well within their rights.

All we know for sure is that WB has the rights to make adaptations of the LotR and Hobbit books. Whether they have the rights to make original Middle Earth movies only tangentially connected to those stories, even with a basis in a few sentences of the LotR appendices, is quite simply not known to the likes of us outsiders at this time.

 

[Mr Light]

I'm pretty sure they own the rights to anything in the ROTK Appendices, as they've taken several stories from there for the movies. Also, it's in the same damn book. It's the Simarillion they have no rights to.

 

[RoJoHen]

I always assumed they removed the 17 year gap for simplicity's sake but there's really no telling one way or another...

Though it's not stated explicitly, I think the only time that passes there is meant to be the amount of time it takes Gandalf to ride to Minas Tirith, do his research, and come back.

This is certainly how it seems to play out. When I watch those scenes, I assume Gandalf is gone for a few weeks at most.

 

[Skywalker]

I'm pretty sure they own the rights to anything in the ROTK Appendices, as they've taken several stories from there for the movies. Also, it's in the same damn book. It's the Simarillion they have no rights to.

Yep. Heck, half of the Hobbit trilogy was derived from the Appendices.

 

[kirk55555]

I'm pretty sure they own the rights to anything in the ROTK Appendices, as they've taken several stories from there for the movies. Also, it's in the same damn book. It's the Simarillion they have no rights to.

Yep. Heck, half of the Hobbit trilogy was derived from the Appendices.

And of the other half, most of it was pulled straight out of their rears, with about 10% of the movies actually taken from the book called The Hobbit. At least, that's what it felt like

 

[fireproof78]

I'm pretty sure they own the rights to anything in the ROTK Appendices, as they've taken several stories from there for the movies. Also, it's in the same damn book. It's the Simarillion they have no rights to.

Or Unfinished Tales, or Children of Hurin, or anything outside of the Hobbit or LOTR. Which is why the Blue Wizards were not named.

Honestly, an Aragorn movie would be interesting, at least for me, but I would be concerned that it would make Aragorn very, for lack of a better word, emo, in that he is supposed to be destined for great things but doesn't want it.

It has potential, and there was a fan film that was about Arathorn, so there is interest, but I'd worry about it in the hands of WB.

 

[Beagleman]

But Children of Hurin could be such a fun, uplifting flick! ...

 

[Gaith]

I'm pretty sure they own the rights to anything in the ROTK Appendices, as they've taken several stories from there for the movies. Also, it's in the same damn book. It's the Simarillion they have no rights to.

They have the right to use the RotK appendices material in adaptations of The Hobbit and LotR - that is indisputable. It does not necessarily mean, however, that they also have the rights to use that material in movies that are not adaptations of The Hobbit or LotR.

It's a matter of lawyers and contract minutiae we don't have access to, so unless any of us do have that insider knowledge, anyone saying for sure that the WB can or can't make (for example) an original Aragorn standalone movie is quite simply deluding themselves.

 

[SPCTRE]

If the next movie is not an original story about the Blue Wizards that went into the East, I'm out.

 

[Mr Light]

They should do a movie where Aragorn goes to fight the Orcs in Mordor, but then gets killed and comes back as a half human half wraith under the possession of another wraith. That'd be cool.

 

[Skywalker]

They should do a movie where Aragorn goes to fight the Orcs in Mordor, but then gets killed and comes back as a half human half wraith under the possession of another wraith. That'd be cool.

Get out.

 

[Mr Light]

I actually just played that game and it was TONS of fun.

 

[fireproof78]

If the next movie is not an original story about the Blue Wizards that went into the East, I'm out.

I like this concept as well. We could finally see Near Harad, or maybe as far as Far Harad.

Interesting tidbit, unrelated to films, the LOTR tabletop game actually has some of the Nazgul coming from the East and it showcases it in the armor of the Nine. Interesting concept to me.

 

[SPCTRE]

They should do a movie where Aragorn goes to fight the Orcs in Mordor, but then gets killed and comes back as a half human half wraith under the possession of another wraith. That'd be cool.

 

[apollo1984]

I finally got around to watching the Extended Edition over Christmas and I have to say that it did clear up a lot of what I found wrong with the theatrical cut, the dwarves were more involved in the battle and also the dwarves became the focal point in the battle in terms of comedy actions.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

I'm also up for seeing what happened to the blue wizards and the battles that took place in the east. IIRC weren't they cause of the resistance to Sauron in the east? I've always been fascinated by the eastern part of middle earth. It's shame that Tolkien wrote so little about it.