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Kords21

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I saw this thread on Star Trek.com's message board and it was like pouring salt into an open wound. Thankfully a group of guys were able to save the Enterprise when the Hilton's owners wanted her destroyed cause she "was in the way". It's a depressing video, but at least she was saved.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceI6oDo9JkE

Under the comments section of this youtube page someone left this nice gem "Yes - the current Hilton owners recently refered to the Experience as "the place that attracts all the nerds". "

I will never step foot into another Hilton hotel again due to their blatent lack of respect for a franchise as storied as Star Trek. I hope whatever profit margins they had due to visitors going to the TE and then gambling into their amaturish casino will plummet.

Long live the Experience!
 
Kords21 said:
I saw this thread on Star Trek.com's message board and it was like pouring salt into an open wound. Thankfully a group of guys were able to save the Enterprise when the Hilton's owners wanted her destroyed cause she "was in the way". It's a depressing video, but at least she was saved.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceI6oDo9JkE

Under the comments section of this youtube page someone left this nice gem "Yes - the current Hilton owners recently refered to the Experience as "the place that attracts all the nerds". "

I will never step foot into another Hilton hotel again due to their blatent lack of respect for a franchise as storied as Star Trek. I hope whatever profit margins they had due to visitors going to the TE and then gambling into their amaturish casino will plummet.

Long live the Experience!
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No doubt. There's almost no reason to go to the Hilton now. When I visited the Experience a few years ago I stayed at the Hilton for the convience. When I visit Vegas again I'll be staying some place closer to or ON the Strip.
 
Of course she was saved. Just because ST:TE has lost its lease, doesn't mean that the Hilton was going to simply throw it away. It isn't their property to begin with. It still belongs to Cedar Fair Entertainment, who I'm sure wouldn't simply let Hilton destroy their property. They'll dismantle it, store it someplace, until they decide where to reopen ST:TE at sometime in the future.

Relax. We have not seen the last of The Experience. Not by a long shot.
 
I hope they build it in a major city, but one that isn't so far away for people like me to visit (I live in Ohio).

J.
 
I will never step foot into another Hilton hotel again due to their blatent lack of respect for a franchise as storied as Star Trek. I hope whatever profit margins they had due to visitors going to the TE and then gambling into their amaturish casino will plummet.
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And this is the sort of over-reaction that makes people think all ST fans are total freakazoids.
 
J. Allen said:
I hope they build it in a major city, but one that isn't so far away for people like me to visit (I live in Ohio).

J.
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You may be in luck. Rumor has it that Cedar Fair Entertainment will not be re-licensing Hanna-Barbera characters from Turner, when their current license expires in 2010. This means that the space currently inhabited by "The enchanted World of Hanna-Barbera" (or whatever they call it these days) at King's Island will need a new attraction. And that space is just about the right size to house ST:TE.
 
There's still a reason to enter the Hilton, the Convention!! It looks like it's going to still be held there next year. I'll be there!! But it will be bitter sweet without the Experience.
 
Vulcankitty said:
There's still a reason to enter the Hilton, the Convention!! It looks like it's going to still be held there next year. I'll be there!! But it will be bitter sweet without the Experience.
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Holding the convention there now makes little sense.
 
Kords21 said:
I saw this thread on Star Trek.com's message board and it was like pouring salt into an open wound. Thankfully a group of guys were able to save the Enterprise when the Hilton's owners wanted her destroyed cause she "was in the way". It's a depressing video, but at least she was saved.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ceI6oDo9JkE

Under the comments section of this youtube page someone left this nice gem "Yes - the current Hilton owners recently refered to the Experience as "the place that attracts all the nerds". "

I will never step foot into another Hilton hotel again due to their blatent lack of respect for a franchise as storied as Star Trek. I hope whatever profit margins they had due to visitors going to the TE and then gambling into their amaturish casino will plummet.

Long live the Experience!
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A few points:

First, the 1701 refit Enterprise (movie era) is the only thing the Las Vegas Hilton had anything to say about in the Experience because it protruded from the front of the space the Experience currently leases into the casino area. The Hilton cannot go in and start smashing things up for their convenience until the lease expires December 31, 2008. The only reason STTE closed earlier than that is because the lease stipulates STTE must be completely out by that date... that means all deconstruction and move-out completed by then, a proccess estimated to take three months.

Second, Hilton Hotels, the company that owns Hiltons worldwide, are not the bad guys here. They were originally partners with Paramount Parks in creating and opening STTE. No, the people you want to boycott are Resorts International, which bought the Las Vegas Hilton and pays to continue using the Hilton name there. I agree about never setting foot in the LV Hilton again, but Hilton Hotels the company are not the villians here... historically they were the good guys. Resorts International and its parent company Colony Capital are the ones who killed STTE by raising the cost of occupancy in the space by 10x.

Third, I also hope the Las Vegas Hilton takes a significant hit, revenue wise, as a result of turning us out. They never understood or cared how important STTE was to us. I hope the Michael Jackson Experience (I know, just a rumor) or whatever goes into that space fails miserably.
 
Until I watched that video, it didn't really hit me that it is now gone. Yes, I got a little choked up by what I saw.

If that comment is correct about ST:TE attracting "all those nerds," then yes, I am as insulted as the next fan. It is a shame that such opinions still exist. Not that I'm being vindictive, I don't see myself going to the Hilton in the future, because STTE was my only draw there. As much as I'd like to think that we fans made a difference to the Hilton, I really wonder how much money we really generated for them. All of the big hotels have their casinos, and none of the others had Star Trek exhibits, yet they all seem to do well.
 
chardman said:
Of course she was saved. Just because ST:TE has lost its lease, doesn't mean that the Hilton was going to simply throw it away. It isn't their property to begin with. It still belongs to Cedar Fair Entertainment, who I'm sure wouldn't simply let Hilton destroy their property. They'll dismantle it, store it someplace, until they decide where to reopen ST:TE at sometime in the future.

Relax. We have not seen the last of The Experience. Not by a long shot.
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I'm afraid I disagree. Cedar Fair, which is a large-scale amusement park company, only ended up with STTE as a result of buying Paramount Parks as a whole. They did this to get Paramount Parks' large amusement park assets and were not excited about nor particularly interested in STTE or any future for it. A re-installation elsewhere would cost an excessive amount of money for a mini-theme park based on now-defunct TV shows, and since Cedar Fair never spent any money on upkeep and in fact cut staff and costs to bare-bones to continue making a profit, it's unlikely they'd make such a large investment for something that's gone "stale" to the general public and only holds the interest of Trekkies. We are passionate, but we are also too few to support such an investment over the long term.

We may someday see another Star Trek-themed attraction, perhaps even one that will rival the original STTE, but the Experience we knew and loved is over and gone and not coming back.

It's also important to point out that Cedar Fair's license to use Trek imagery, architecture, desighns, trademarks and copyrights applied only to the existing STTE installation... and that by contract anything Paramount does not take back (in essence, everything but the contents of the museum) has to be not just destroyed but completely obliterated... rendered unrecognizable.

How a private investor was able to purchase the Enterprise 1701 refit, or who exactly he bought it from I don't know... but the contract as it exists says that most of what we know and love about STTE is not Cedar Fair's to do with as they please. Unless I am completely mistaken, this means the 1701-D bridges, the shuttlecraft, and all the signage and architecture is doomed.

Star Trek The Experience as we knew it is not coming back.
 
Vulcankitty said:
There's still a reason to enter the Hilton, the Convention!! It looks like it's going to still be held there next year. I'll be there!! But it will be bitter sweet without the Experience.
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Creation? You're joking, right?
 
sbk1234 said:
Until I watched that video, it didn't really hit me that it is now gone. Yes, I got a little choked up by what I saw.

If that comment is correct about ST:TE attracting "all those nerds," then yes, I am as insulted as the next fan. It is a shame that such opinions still exist. Not that I'm being vindictive, I don't see myself going to the Hilton in the future, because STTE was my only draw there. As much as I'd like to think that we fans made a difference to the Hilton, I really wonder how much money we really generated for them. All of the big hotels have their casinos, and none of the others had Star Trek exhibits, yet they all seem to do well.
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I'm supposed to be insulted by being called a "nerd" cause of being a 'Trek fan? Did I miss a memo or slip into a time warp, when did I end up in 6th grade-- the last time such trivialities actually mattered to me-- again?

So they think we're nerds, and?

Samuel T. Cogley said:
Kords21 said:
Under the comments section of this youtube page someone left this nice gem "Yes - the current Hilton owners recently refered to the Experience as "the place that attracts all the nerds". "
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Which has the added benefit of also being true.
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Nerd pride biatches!
 
I am not a nerd, I am a geek... but I am Alpha Geek, Keeper of the Sacred Slide Rule!

I also felt the sniffles coming on watching the old girl being plucked apart, especially with the music coinciding with the starboard nacelle removal.

Looks like the she fought to the last. I hope she finds a new home so that we can visit her.

AG
 
sbk1234 said:
All of the big hotels have their casinos, and none of the others had Star Trek exhibits, yet they all seem to do well.
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All the "big casinos" are either on The Strip or Dowtown or have other big draws to them (like Penn and Teller at the Rio). The Hilton, as near as I can figure, has no draw to it.
 
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