*~*~The Great J/C Thread~*~*
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That's great, Tachyon. But I have read other reviews where people have been very sad and even cried during Full Circle. I think it must be an EXCELLENT book to pull that kind of response out of the reader; so it's not like I'm trying to trash it or anything. I'm just not looking for that sort of entertainment in my life right now.For some reason Full Circle didn't make me sad at all. I would still prefer Janeway living, tho, but she lives in my personal universe.
As far as C/7 goes, many don't see it happening anyway. That's one of the first questions I asked when I heard about the ending of the novel. However, it is something that really aggrevated me during Endgame, so I think if it ever went that way in the books, it would really tick me off, even if the story line warranted it and Janeway was out of the picture. Plus, I've read some C/7 fan fic, and I still didn't like those characters together. However, they may grow in such a way that they do fit better, so it wouldn't really be about that, imo. I would just be angry that they took the story in that direction, so for me it would be the end of the road.
Well, Seven is very different person in the end of Full Circle than she was during the show, so in a way it could be possible to write believable C/7 story from this point forward. Nevertheless, I still don't see it happening. I might be wrong, but that's how I see the situation at the moment. In the end of Full Circle Chakotay was more like big bro to her than a potential lover. And the state Seven was in, I don't see her being interested pursuing any romantic relationship.
And me not crying for stories is nothing new. I have never cried because of something I have read. Never. I'm half-Vulcan in that way.
And me not crying for stories is nothing new. I have never cried because of something I have read. Never. I'm half-Vulcan in that way.
And I'm the Vulcan, who's emotions could overtake her if I didn't keep complete control at all times!And me not crying for stories is nothing new. I have never cried because of something I have read. Never. I'm half-Vulcan in that way.
Old-skool Vulcan I see, who still has to pay attention to his wild pagan side.
I read Isabo's Shirt fairly recently, coincidently after reading the few pages of FC Amazon would let me peek at about J/C about to go to Venice, and oh dear me it was agony!! Poor old Chakotay
and what a wasted opportunity, how dare the Borg/Pocket books get in there and wipe her out just when it was going to all be ok and hope fulfilled! 
Maybe not a good idea if you're feeling sensitive. Filled me with confidence in Kirsten Beyer though.I read Mosaic a while ago before hearing much about FC but after reading Before Dishonour and it was a bit painful too but not to the same degree, there's certainly no J/C in there I'd say so don't bother looking for any! However it kind of sets everything up in a good way, for example you realise after reading it she's not going to be all that heartbroken at being dumped by Mark or have any trouble moving on from him, he was kind of just a 'safe choice' for her. And you realise she is capable of loving someone but is kind of damaged and very capable of switching herself off from her feelings if she fancies somebody
I'd recommend it.
I have to disagree here. I find "Mosaic" better because the main story in "Mosaic" was so much better than the one in "Pathways".
I really enjoyed to read the Janeway story in "Mosaic" as well. The only objections I got is that the younger Janeway seem a bit wimpy from time to time. There must have been a significant change in the time between the accident with her father and fiancee and her being in charge of Voyager.
As for "Pathways", I really enjoyed to read about the lives of the crew-members before Voyager, even if I did find some annoying flaws in many of the stories. I didn't like Taylor's way to soothe over the family problems (Chakotay-Kolopak, B'Elanna-her father, Tom-Admiral Paris) when the story told in the TV series about those problems was so different and more serious than they did seem to be in the book. The plot with Kes saving Jabin's life was ridiculous, considering how bad Jabin treated Kes in "Caretaker". We also had an early Paris-Torres relationship in the book which contradicted what we had seen on screen. It was obvious that Paris and Torres didn't know each other when they met in "Caretaker" so the story in the book was an after-construction. But still, the biographies of the crewmembers were interesting.
Unfortunately, the main story was rather weak and predictable. I would have found another way of letting the crewmembers present their background stories instead of that rater unrealistic plot with them being prisoners on that planet. Besides that, I was annoyed that Vorik did play such an important role, I guess that was only because Taylor's stepson did play Vorik in the TV series.
But despite my criticizm here, I really enjoy both of those books.
Anf´d I do understand that the J/C-ers like "Pathways".
I'll give Mosaic 4 points out of 5.
I'll give Pathways 3 points out of 5.
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I haven't read either book though they are on my list of things to read, but I just wanted to say that I really liked Vorik as a character. I don't care if he was Jeri Taylor's son or not. I always did want to know about more of the crew than just the officer team, he was one of the few that we did get to know at least somewhat, and I always kind of liked him. I liked his near-twin on TNG, too.
I would suggest you would read them in the rightful order - Mosaic first Pathways then. Because I did it other way around and it might be the reason why I prefer Pathways. I just found Mosaic a little boring at times. But only a little.
Thanks!
I have actually read only one Voyager novel - Chrysalis, by David Niall Wilson, and it was...bad. Not awful, but b-o-o-o-o-o-r-r-r-r-ing. It kind of put me off the entire genre for a while. But I have read some really good Trek books, so I've gotten over Chrysalis now. But Lordy was it b-o-o-o-o-o-r-r-r-r-ing.
I have actually read only one Voyager novel - Chrysalis, by David Niall Wilson, and it was...bad. Not awful, but b-o-o-o-o-o-r-r-r-r-ing. It kind of put me off the entire genre for a while. But I have read some really good Trek books, so I've gotten over Chrysalis now. But Lordy was it b-o-o-o-o-o-r-r-r-r-ing.
Hahahaha yes Chrysalis is indeed one huge yawn from start to finish! At roughly the same time I also bought the Murdered Sun and The Escape which are far more exciting I think.
They are the only three I've got of the very early books, though I think when they were new I borrowed a few more from the library. When I revisited them last year I couldn't get through Chrysalis at all.
Of the books I've read for the first time recently I'd say that Homecoming and the Farther shore were dire, all except for the one thing I did like about them which was that Christie Golden handled J/C extremely well indeed, making them extremely close friends without crossing the line but with the chemistry there implying that they may well at some point. I thought that was excellent, probably far more entertaining (and realistic if anything about Voyager can be said to be realistic!) than if they'd got home and jumped into bed before disembarking.
They are the only three I've got of the very early books, though I think when they were new I borrowed a few more from the library. When I revisited them last year I couldn't get through Chrysalis at all.
Of the books I've read for the first time recently I'd say that Homecoming and the Farther shore were dire, all except for the one thing I did like about them which was that Christie Golden handled J/C extremely well indeed, making them extremely close friends without crossing the line but with the chemistry there implying that they may well at some point. I thought that was excellent, probably far more entertaining (and realistic if anything about Voyager can be said to be realistic!) than if they'd got home and jumped into bed before disembarking.
^ Yes, Chrysalis was a total snooze-fest - a yawn-a-rama, which is kind of ironic, given the plot. It's one of the few books that I've read that could have been turned into an episode without triming a single "important" (so to speak ) thing out. That's not something a person can usually say about a book with hundreds of pages.
) thing out. That's not something a person can usually say about a book with hundreds of pages.
The Dark Matters Trilogy by Golden is very J/C in some parts, I've read the first two, in the first one when Tom and Chakotay go missing together, Janeway apparently looks at B'Elanna with understanding because 'they are both in the same situation' or some such words, implying very clearly that they've both lost their significant other. Bit OTT I thought since it's set really late on when Tom and B'Elanna were practically married and by then the J/C chemistry appeared onscreen a lot less, but kinda sweet nonetheless. Wishful thinking on the part of Christie Golden perhaps.
There's a couple of nice scenes too for J/Cers such as he rescues her when she falls down a cliff and Golden says something like 'He held her tight for a precious moment' or some such thing, haven't got it to hand right now.
There's a couple of nice scenes too for J/Cers such as he rescues her when she falls down a cliff and Golden says something like 'He held her tight for a precious moment' or some such thing,
haven't got it to hand right now.
Despite the fact that I sometimes post in the J/C thread, Frazzled, I am actually not a J/Cer. Shocking, isn't it? Try to like me anyway. The J/Cers graciously put up with me, though. I don't mind J/C considering a relationship - I enjoyed the little hints that the writers gave us during VOY's run - and I think a relationship once they got back to the Alpha Quadrant and no longer served with each other would have been great to see. But I am (as the J/Cers could tell you, poor things - they have seen me write at length on this issue) completely against the idea of any captain or any first officer having a romantic relationship with somebody under his or her command. But what you describe doesn't sound as though it would violate my admittedly rigid standards, so that trilogy is on my little list, too.
The J/Cers graciously put up with me, though. I don't mind J/C considering a relationship - I enjoyed the little hints that the writers gave us during VOY's run - and I think a relationship once they got back to the Alpha Quadrant and no longer served with each other would have been great to see. But I am (as the J/Cers could tell you, poor things - they have seen me write at length on this issue) completely against the idea of any captain or any first officer having a romantic relationship with somebody under his or her command. But what you describe doesn't sound as though it would violate my admittedly rigid standards, so that trilogy is on my little list, too.
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I can't decide if I would call myself a J/Cer or not. I'm definitely a huge Janeway fan, and I hated the idea of her coming back in Endgame to nothing - fiance moved on, Chakotay who had professed to love her with Seven. C/7 annoyed me because of that, though I didn't blame Chakotay, he could've had years to wait for Janeway and that wasn't fair to expect of him. But I felt the timing of C/7 on the part of TPTB stank - Janeway gave her heart and soul to getting her crew home then they were all moving on and she was left alone.
I think she could've been happy with Chakotay and I would've liked them to be together after a sensible time when he and Seven had finished once they got back (I don't believe Janeway would ever have cheated on Seven, she used some precious trans warp drive power and flew into a Borg Cube to face the queen to get her back just a couple of years before this - she loved Seven). On Screen, in literature like Godlen's books and most obviously in Isabo's Shirt, they seem to fit together pretty well, I would've imagined them having a hugely passionate relationship with 'passionate' in the positive and negative sense here - plenty of healthy arguments as well as good times.
After Endgame I was very cross that they killed her instead of giving her a fulfilling personal life of some kind, which I probably believe would have been with Chakotay. I don't know why that's so important to me but somehow it is .... what's the point in seven years and the entire series geared around a desperate struggle to get back for her then to just be finished off?
I think she could've been happy with Chakotay and I would've liked them to be together after a sensible time when he and Seven had finished once they got back (I don't believe Janeway would ever have cheated on Seven, she used some precious trans warp drive power and flew into a Borg Cube to face the queen to get her back just a couple of years before this - she loved Seven). On Screen, in literature like Godlen's books and most obviously in Isabo's Shirt, they seem to fit together pretty well, I would've imagined them having a hugely passionate relationship with 'passionate' in the positive and negative sense here - plenty of healthy arguments as well as good times.
After Endgame I was very cross that they killed her instead of giving her a fulfilling personal life of some kind, which I probably believe would have been with Chakotay. I don't know why that's so important to me but somehow it is .... what's the point in seven years and the entire series geared around a desperate struggle to get back for her then to just be finished off?
