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Spoilers The Goblin Song! What the heck did I just watch! And what are your thoughts?

Do parents not read stuff like Hansel and Gretel to kids any more?

Do kids not watch The Witches?

The description in the lyrics are way past anything in Hansel & Gretel (who survive in most modern versions) and besides which, functionally, no, those things are not so popular these days.
They also *are not literal babies*.
Which is a clear dividing line, even in the darker areas of children’s fiction, historical or otherwise. It’s also astonishingly obvious.
This is family TV on Christmas Day, not Classical History.
And Dahl, incidentally, including The Witches, is now rightly recognised as being unpleasant and problematic to say the least.

If Marilyn Manson or some other f****** had sung this song, I strongly suspect there would be less leaping to its defence. If it had appeared in… oh, I don’t know, something directed by Zack Snyder, I imagine very different people would misguidedly leap to its defence.

There is none.

It’s misguided and inappropriate, and I would even suggest putting it out early was a way of getting ahead of criticisms that *will* come later in the day.
‘Oh, it had been out for weeks and no one said anything!’

As I say, I shan’t be bothering, I wandered off in the Capaldi era when that became too cold and callous — though not quite as much as this, and often at least addressing that in the text — and there’s still a large chunk of Jodie I can’t be arsed watching. I don’t think I will even give this lot a chance, it’s clear they’ve somewhat lost track of many many things to do with the show and with its audience frankly.
It’s *annoying* because they are ‘effing up the first mainline Black British Doctor basically from the start, and I find that… sad? Insulting? Offensive? I don’t know. But they have done it.

Merry Christmas.
 
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Misguidedly defending?

They're MONSTERS.

They do the evil things.

The show isn't supporting them, and if you think it is, I might suggest you spend a few moments with some eggnog.

Marilyn Manson is human, and no we rightly don't sing songs about eating babies.

Monsters do.

The Doctor stops the monsters.

And why, exactly, is a teenager being eaten LESS bad than a baby?
 
Misguidedly defending?

They're MONSTERS.

They do the evil things.

The show isn't supporting them, and if you think it is, I might suggest you spend a few moments with some eggnog.

Marilyn Manson is human, and no we rightly don't sing songs about eating babies.

Monsters do.

The Doctor stops the monsters.

And why, exactly, is a teenager being eaten LESS bad than a baby?

Defending the song as a piece of family entertainment etc.

A human sang that song, wrote it, etc — those aren’t goblins, nor do they write the show.

There’s a reason Jack and the Beanstalk features a protagonist who isn’t teething. Couple of reasons.
 
A thought I saw expressed somewhere, maybe RTD wants to stir some controversy? Back in the classic era, Mary Whitehouse would often complain about Doctor Who being inappropriate for children to the point that JNT once joked that he would pray that she would watch the current week's episode and complain about it, claiming that her complaints always brought an increase in ratings. Maybe RTD is trying to get a modern equivalent started?
 
Hey remember when the Doctor drowned a bunch of Racnoss babies, or blew up every Gallifreyan to stop Timothy Dalton?

Also weren't the goblins technically a new species that only exist because of the Toymaker meddling with reality? It didn't seem like the Doctor knew much or had encountered them before.
 
The description in the lyrics are way past anything in Hansel & Gretel (who survive in most modern versions) and besides which, functionally, no, those things are not so popular these days.
They also *are not literal babies*.
Which is a clear dividing line, even in the darker areas of children’s fiction, historical or otherwise. It’s also astonishingly obvious.
This is family TV on Christmas Day, not Classical History.
And Dahl, incidentally, including The Witches, is now rightly recognised as being unpleasant and problematic to say the least.

If Marilyn Manson or some other f****** had sung this song, I strongly suspect there would be less leaping to its defence. If it had appeared in… oh, I don’t know, something directed by Zack Snyder, I imagine very different people would misguidedly leap to its defence.

There is none.

It’s misguided and inappropriate, and I would even suggest putting it out early was a way of getting ahead of criticisms that *will* come later in the day.
‘Oh, it had been out for weeks and no one said anything!’

As I say, I shan’t be bothering, I wandered off in the Capaldi era when that became too cold and callous — though not quite as much as this, and often at least addressing that in the text — and there’s still a large chunk of Jodie I can’t be arsed watching. I don’t think I will even give this lot a chance, it’s clear they’ve somewhat lost track of many many things to do with the show and with its audience frankly.
It’s *annoying* because they are ‘effing up the first mainline Black British Doctor basically from the start, and I find that… sad? Insulting? Offensive? I don’t know. But they have done it.

Merry Christmas.
Get over yourself sheesh
 
Hey remember when the Doctor drowned a bunch of Racnoss babies, or blew up every Gallifreyan to stop Timothy Dalton?

Also weren't the goblins technically a new species that only exist because of the Toymaker meddling with reality? It didn't seem like the Doctor knew much or had encountered them before.

He absolutely spent ages drawing attention to it.
Remember when he had a full song and dance detail going into how much he would enjoy doing it?
B-Side to the hot dance track ‘Yes, Yes I would do it’ by Davros and the Dalekettes?
Yeah, me either.

There’s a difference in what and how things are presented.
 
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