The future of the Republican Party.

[Knight Templar]

Martin Luther King Jr. was not a fan of abortion either.

Yeah, that's why he received and accepted the Margaret Sanger Award.
I understand that you feel cornered and become desperate but lying doesn't work here. This ain't FOX news but a Trek board with moderately informed and intelligent people.

What makes you think Margaret Sanger was an abortion supporter?

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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger

 

[Awesome Possum]

Martin Luther King Jr. was not a fan of abortion either.

Yeah, that's why he received and accepted the Margaret Sanger Award.
I understand that you feel cornered and become desperate but lying doesn't work here. This ain't FOX news but a Trek board with moderately informed and intelligent people.

What makes you think Margaret Sanger was an abortion supporter?

Note bottom of the page

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger

For one, her main opposition was because in her time, it was dangerous and the woman could die. Safe abortions only came into practice after her death. Even then she wasn't giving out the award after she was dead and the movement she started at accepted abortion at that point.

 

[Knight Templar]

Yeah, that's why he received and accepted the Margaret Sanger Award.
I understand that you feel cornered and become desperate but lying doesn't work here. This ain't FOX news but a Trek board with moderately informed and intelligent people.

What makes you think Margaret Sanger was an abortion supporter?

Note bottom of the page

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger

For one, her main opposition was because in her time, it was dangerous and the woman could die. Safe abortions only came into practice after her death. Even then she wasn't giving out the award after she was dead and the movement she started at accepted abortion at that point.

I still have my doubts that Martin Luther King Jr. was a supporter of abortion rights.

There are a number of online sites that make that point but given that they have pro life opinions, I decided not to link to them.

 

[horatio83]

Martin Luther King Jr. was not a fan of abortion either.

Yeah, that's why he received and accepted the Margaret Sanger Award.
I understand that you feel cornered and become desperate but lying doesn't work here. This ain't FOX news but a Trek board with moderately informed and intelligent people.

What makes you think Margaret Sanger was an abortion supporter?

Note bottom of the page

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger

Read the friggin' award speech. He makes no comment on abortion but clearly advocates the need for family planning. So you lied, King has not been in any way an opponent of abortion.
Feel free to point out the text in which he condemns abortion to prove me wrong and support your claim that he "was not a fan of abortion". Not that I actually expect you to do it given that you do obviously not know the US constitution and the Gospels. Otherwise you would know that neither text supports the idea of a "Christian nation".

I still have my doubts that Martin Luther King Jr. was a supporter of abortion rights.

There are a number of online sites that make that point but given that they have pro life opinions, I decided not to link to them.

What you think or what some stupid propaganda site says does not matter, what Martin Luther King said or wrote matters. Not that I expect reactionaries to stop considering truth as something that you can make up.

 

[Awesome Possum]

What makes you think Margaret Sanger was an abortion supporter?

Note bottom of the page

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Margaret_Sanger

For one, her main opposition was because in her time, it was dangerous and the woman could die. Safe abortions only came into practice after her death. Even then she wasn't giving out the award after she was dead and the movement she started at accepted abortion at that point.

I still have my doubts that Martin Luther King Jr. was a supporter of abortion rights.

There are a number of online sites that make that point but given that they have pro life opinions, I decided not to link to them.

Since you don't know, retract your claim that he was against abortion then. You can't make claims and have them treated as facts.

You are entitled to your own beliefs, but not your own facts.

 

[Squiggy]

If the Founding Fathers did want a Christian nation, then I guess they were lying when the Senate unanimosily passed the Treaty of Tripoli.

As the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion...

So either they truly did not intend for America to be a Christian nation or they were lying to a bunch of Muslims. How Christian of them.

Also: the Jefferson Bible. Look it up.

 

[zephramc]

I completely understand. They like all of us are the products of their time. Even the most enlightened man will one day be seen as backwards. But it doesn't mean we should glorify it. They were right about a lot of things, but not everything.

From what I've read about the time period and the various founding fathers, I get the sense the most of them (with the possible exception of Jefferson and a few others from the South), hoped the slavery issue would quietly go away. Some did actively fight for to end slavery such as Ben Franklin who headed the Pennsylvania Abolition Society; It should be noted that Franklin did own slaves in his early adult life.

Anyways saying these people were products of their time is true, but at the same token, slightly unfair.

Put yourselves in the founders shoes during that time (around 1791). The 13 colonies had defeated the greatest army in the world and had gained their independence from Britain some 10 years prior, but since that time the union was nearly in shambles; states refused to cooperate, support the national government or even trade with other certain states. Some states even began making agreements with foreign governments. The great American experiment was looking like it was going to be a train wreck.

So everyone gathered together to "fix" the Articles of Confederation (in secret they were hammering out a completely new government). Slavery was a hot subject then. I suspect the arguments for/against slavery were pretty heated, but had the anti-slavery and pro-slavery people and states not compromised, the new nation likely would have dissolved.

I think the attitude was: "Lets work on mending this nation. We can deal with slavery on another day".

 

[Knight Templar]

For one, her main opposition was because in her time, it was dangerous and the woman could die. Safe abortions only came into practice after her death. Even then she wasn't giving out the award after she was dead and the movement she started at accepted abortion at that point.

I still have my doubts that Martin Luther King Jr. was a supporter of abortion rights.

There are a number of online sites that make that point but given that they have pro life opinions, I decided not to link to them.

Since you don't know, retract your claim that he was against abortion then. You can't make claims and have them treated as facts.

You are entitled to your own beliefs, but not your own facts.

[Martin Luther King, Jr.] once said, “The Negro cannot win as long as he is willing to sacrifice the lives of his children for comfort and safety.” How can the “Dream” survive if we murder the children? Every aborted baby is like a slave in the womb of his or her mother. The mother decides his or her fate.1

http://www.abort73.com/abortion/abortion_and_race/

 

[horatio83]

I still have my doubts that Martin Luther King Jr. was a supporter of abortion rights.

There are a number of online sites that make that point but given that they have pro life opinions, I decided not to link to them.

Since you don't know, retract your claim that he was against abortion then. You can't make claims and have them treated as facts.

You are entitled to your own beliefs, but not your own facts.

[Martin Luther King, Jr.] once said, “The Negro cannot win as long as he is willing to sacrifice the lives of his children for comfort and safety.” How can the “Dream” survive if we murder the children? Every aborted baby is like a slave in the womb of his or her mother. The mother decides his or her fate.1

http://www.abort73.com/abortion/abortion_and_race/

Chinese whispers, "my uncle has said", is not what you call a reliable source. Especially not when the very woman who says it has politically nothing in common at all with her uncle.
Someone who aligns herself with, to quote Stephen King, "Satan's mentally challenged younger brother" has little to no credibility.

Nice try nonetheless but some propaganda is kinda easy to see through. We are still waiting for an actual anti-abortion statement by King respectively the admission that you talked out of your butt.

 

[Squiggy]

Close. Dr. King wrote "The Negro cannot win as long as he is willing to sacrifice the lives of his children for comfort and safety". That's all he wrote.

She wrote the rest about abortion.

 

[The Dominion]

True, was he even talking about abortion in that sentence? You can't just take quotes out of context like that and bend them to your ideas.

Besides, calling abortion infanticide is a gross fallacy. There's a reason the term is abortion, because it is disrupting the pregnancy process before the fetus actually makes it to the "child" stage. Hence, no child was actually killed.

 

[Awesome Possum]

You can't add thoughts to a quote and pretend that's what they meant.

"I still have my doubts that Martin Luther King Jr. was a supporter of abortion rights.

There are a number of online sites that make that point but given that they have pro life opinions, I decided not to link to them."

Also I find dogs to be attractive.

See, it doesn't work because it can be used to prove any absurd claim.

 

[horatio83]

I have a bit of an existential question, what happens to the reactionary position if you take away all the BS?