Spoilers The Flash - Season 6
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Actually, it was the season two episode Flash Back (before Flashpoint) and Barry made that change to the timeline. I am actually surprised they didn't have Barry make a throwaway comment about Pied Piper being back to an antagonist.
I really enjoyed that first scene, a little touching even if we didn't know what Barry was doing. At first I thought for some reason he went to Gotham to leave flowers for the Waynes in Crime Alley. And enjoyed see Barry using his technological advantage (Gideon). I kind of wonder what took them this long to just use Gideon to analyze and list all the changes. Immediately after Crisis, I would have seen if Gideon has access to a comparison instead of white boarding it like Cisco did (with the map and timeline diagram).
One thing I didn't mention a few episodes ago (when Marathon aired) was I love that the McCullough CEO blamed a robbery, instead of on a secret organization, on their competitor, Obsidian, which itself actually is controlled by a secret organization (Leviathan).
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This was a pretty good episode, I especially liked the stuff with Grodd. It gave us an interesting new development for Grodd and it was an interesting way to force Barry to deal with the Post-Crisis changes. The stuff with Chester was pretty good to.
That last development in the Iris and Eva story line made things a bit more interesting, but I'm still hoping they don't spend to much more time trapped in the Mirror World.
That last development in the Iris and Eva story line made things a bit more interesting, but I'm still hoping they don't spend to much more time trapped in the Mirror World.
Does anyone truly believe that Grodd really reformed?
The Flash writers seem to be treating crisis like a reguar timeline change (ala Flashpoint). Otherwise, Gideon would not be able to calculate crisis changes, and Grodd would not be somehow protected from those changed. The same goes for the "Harry" journal from the prior episode.
For the moment yes, but I wouldn't be surprised if the writers decided they wanted him back as a villain and had something turn him evil again.
I would like to see Grodd become more of a Black Adam type of character, where he is working toward his own interests or the interests of Gorilla City. Sometimes those interests align and sometimes they don't. Having him return to a straight up "evil" villain just seems a little boring after this episode.
I thought J'onn took care of that. When he "wakes people up," they remember the pre-crisis timeline, but I never got the impression that they forget the old one. Of course, that doesn't explain Superman not knowing he had two children...
Understood, but Grodd IS a villain. Is there precedent for him being this kind of a tweener?
I think The Flash and Supergirl writers have been consistent in showing that the Earth Prime post-crisis memories were removed. For instance, in this last episode, Barry had no idea what Team Flash had done to Pied Piper (or the other powers Pied Piper had). He also didn't know where his parents were buried.
The only situation I remember a character having both sets of memories was in the Arrowverse future, and that was the result of a device rather than the Martian Manhunter.
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Barry was a paragon--the paragons are different.
Cisco wasn't a paragon. He was freaking out because he didn't remember buying a Superman t-shirt. That's why he did all that research to check on the status of Earth Prime threats.
I don't think that really matters as this point, they've already changed other villains into heroes, like Killer Frost, Captain Cold and Heatwave. As far as I know there was no precedent for them being heroes before the show.
It was a little before but close enough that it could have been done with knowledge of where Caitlin was headed in the series. Frost was rescued from the Suicide Squad by Batman for his version of the Justice League. The series started with potential and then went sideways--it was short lived.
Yeah, on reflection, given how little lead time there was, I'm sure the comics creators must've known what the show was doing and decided to reflect it. There have been cases like that before. Both Renee Montoya (Batman: The Animated Series) and Aqualad/Kaldur'ahm (Young Justice) were created for animation but debuted in comics first because the comics had a shorter lead time from creation to release.