Spoilers The Flash - Season 6

[TREK_GOD_1]

Jefferson on Black Lightning is a pretty strong male character. So is Gambi on Black Lightning.

True.

Legends has a few, though in fairness, they're kind of lacking in the intelligence department.

Heh.

The problem is not male or female its just way to many people. Unfortunately Arrow established the "lets have a whole team helping the hero" idea and the other shows just went in that direction.

Agreed. I had hope Batwoman would just have Kate and Luke as Team Batwoman, but they had to drag the step-sister and other random people into the mix. On a series of that nature, BW's stakes need to be higher, and that is helped by her not having a base full of pals to rely on for any reason. Further, the Kate-Luke relationship is one of the best things on the show, and it does not need other characters getting in the way of that, whether they are on the job, or just hanging around.

 

[The Realist]

The problem is not male or female its just way to many people. Unfortunately Arrow established the "lets have a whole team helping the hero" idea and the other shows just went in that direction. I don't mind one or two helpers but when you start getting around 6 or 7 or a dozen the hero seems less important. I really don't care about Iris and her intrepid band of reporter pals solving crimes. The last episode would have worked out just as well had it only been Iris and Joe involved.

I rather enjoy Iris and her pals, but in general, I do think the Arrowverse shows would be better off without the "team" approach to every series. For one thing, it's repetitive. For another, it definitely can compromise the main character's prominence and centrality. On Supergirl, in particular, Kara often seems like a "Where's Waldo?" proposition among her supporting cast of thousands.

 

[Guy Gardener]

I still want an explanation on why Luke is poor.

His dad is dead, and that dude had bank.

Was he written out of the will, or is he still too young for his trust fund to kick in? Or god forbid, did he blow through 40 million dollars in 3 years, which is why he was a nightwatchman to an abandoned building when Kate found him?

 

[Kirk Prime]

The problem is not male or female its just way to many people. Unfortunately Arrow established the "lets have a whole team helping the hero" idea and the other shows just went in that direction. I don't mind one or two helpers but when you start getting around 6 or 7 or a dozen the hero seems less important. I really don't care about Iris and her intrepid band of reporter pals solving crimes. The last episode would have worked out just as well had it only been Iris and Joe involved.

I can understand the desire to see more strong male characters. In the Arrowverse, with Arrow gone, there are not that many. The CW tends to focus on female characters and that tends to lead to more beta males and weak men, but that doesn't mean strong male characters don't exist.

I think you can add Joe West to the list as well.

But your post also brings up a good point about Iris and the reporters. NONE of those extra characters are needed. On Flash, I want to see more of Barry doing Flash things.

 

[DEWLine]

Or does Luke own the Wayne Building for lack of other heirs?

 

[Nerys Myk]

I still want an explanation on why Luke is poor.

Is he poor? I don't recall.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Is he poor? I don't recall.

The recently departed Lucius Fox was probably almost a billionaire, since he ran Wayne Enterprises for Batman while Bruce was too busy being Batman, and the Martha and Thomas before that too. Even if Lucius was only a multi millionaire... Where did the Money go?

Luke is a night watchman or is pretending to be a night watchman, since he's not guarding an abandoned building by himself, which is what he said he was doing in the pilot. He was guarding the Batcave II.

While pretending to guard that abandoned building, he still had to guard that abandoned building, which is a job that collects a middle class income. There also should have been at least three guys doing that job, per shift, becuase I doubt that Luke was guarding an abandoned building or the Batcave II 24/7. For insurance purposes, if you do not have a security system, not even Wayne Insurance is going to cover you.

Point is, Luke was pulling down a little over minimum wage, walking around with a Flash Light for a hundred hours a week, making sure that the Penguin and Twoface didn't steal all of Batman's shit.

A nearly billionaire wouldn't do that becuase it is very tedious and extremely dangerous, unless he was personally invested. Besides his job isn't to fight the Joker to death to protect a few Batarangs and a motor cycle, Luke's job is to activate the self destruct, before the Batcave II is compromised.

Maybe Luke is Robin?

I quit Batman comics before Batwing turned up.

What's his deal?

Well, fuck me.

After the events of Batwing #19, David resigned as Batwing. Lucius Fox would then make a new Batwing suit, which Batman then gives to Fox's son Luke Fox.[16] Luke plays a significant part in Batman Eternal when he helps Jim Corrigan investigate recent events in Arkham Asylum, where the Joker's Daughter is using the spirits of the inmates to resurrect what she believes to be the Joker in the body of Maxie Zeus (although it is revealed to be Deacon Blackfire). In Batgirl #45, Luke Fox began a romantic relationship with Barbara Gordon, also fighting crime together as their alter egos Batwing and Batgirl.[17][18] Luke Fox was created by Jimmy Palmiotti and Justin Gray, the writers of Batwing #19[19] in April, 2013.

In the DC Rebirth reboot following Red Robin's apparent sacrifice, Luke is recruited to the team that Batman and Batwoman set up.[20]

So either CW Luke is going to become CW Batwing, which is boring, or luke is already Batwing and he's "training" Batwoman surreptitiously like how Mr Miagi got his house painted.



Cool.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

That felt like a collaboration with Hallmark Channel especially with the overly present twinkly drippy music in nearly every scene (hopefully that guy got paid enough to get his keys to quit sticking). At least Katee Sackhoff seems to be having fun I guess and has nice teeth.

 

[tomalak301]

I wasn't really a fan of that episode. It was boring, and it basically stalled until the end where what we saw last week was finally addressed, not to mention the possibility of seeing Harry Wells again. One could say it was one long teaser to next week, which is a shame because it's a wasted episode.

 

[Kirk Prime]

I'm going to take it a step further--I think this was the worst episode of the series.

It did absolutely nothing to advance any storylines other than the last minute or so when they revealed Iris was in the mirror.

The episode was beyond boring. What kind of hero lets blackmail stop him from being a hero while his wife runs around doing all the work? Last I checked, this show was called The Flash, not The Iris.

Did they have no money for effects this week?

And it hadn't occurred to me until another poster brought it up yesterday, but now that I think about it, that poster was right--why is Team Citizen even on this show? They already have a lot of characters. Why is Allegra on this show? Who cares about her love life? This show is THE FLASH, so maybe we should get more with THE FLASH--rather than the love life of the Flash's wife's co-worker.

The title characters on these shows should not be taking too much of a backseat. It happens on all the CW shows, but this week was brutal.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Frak, the Smallville V-day episodes were better than this.

*And a complete waste of one of the all-time great songs.

 

[thribs]

I like how it started with no previously. Not reminding the audience of what happened in the previous episode.

 

[Christopher]

I thought it was fun. No reason every episode has to be a major arc-driving story, and there's room for a little downtime in the wake of the Crisis. Although this had all the hallmarks of an episode done to balance the schedule and budget demands of Crisis, because Barry's role in it is limited, the Flash barely appears, a lot of the cast is absent, and there's not a lot of action. Still, I thought it was a cute idea to do a Valentine's Day episode that was about ending a (mostly offscreen) gang war by getting two villains back together as a couple.

It was also -- sort of -- a good story about Barry and Iris working through their post-Crisis issues, but that's undermined by the revelation that it wasn't really Iris. Still, she seemed to have all Iris's knowledge and memories and feelings, just a different attitude, so the question is, who or what is she? I'm hoping she's some kind of mirror clone of Iris herself, rather than an impostor, because impostor stories involving people who are sleeping together cross the line into nonconsensual territory, yet that fact is rarely acknowledged or dealt with in the shows that use the trope.

So that gold trim in the Flash's costume is actual gold? That's extravagant. How exactly do they get their funding again?

 

[Mr. Adventure]

So that gold trim in the Flash's costume is actual gold? That's extravagant. How exactly do they get their funding again?

They probably could make billions anytime they need it selling devices Cisco could design in a couple of hours.

 

[thribs]

So that gold trim in the Flash's costume is actual gold? That's extravagant. How exactly do they get their funding again?

Barry inherited all of Wells’ fortune when he “died” in season one.

 

[Christopher]

Speaking of devices, I could've done without the gratuitous product placement for Alexa (complete with "Promotional consideration provided by Amazon" credit at the end, meaning "they paid us to shill their product in the show"). I mean, it's kind of a crude substitute when you're used to Gideon, isn't it? And wasn't Barry supposed to be the one who eventually invents Gideon? Well, the timeline's been rewritten so often that I doubt that applies anymore.

I can live with product placement when it isn't intrusive -- like when the camera lingers just a bit on the car or computer or phone that the characters are using to go about their normal business. It becomes a problem when it draws attention to itself, like when an episode of The Dead Zone dragged a scene to a halt so the characters could do a whole in-story commercial about how amazing their new swipe-free credit card was, or when Eureka did an entire half-season in which the scientists were doing "research" around Degree antiperspirant, culminating in an entire episode driven by said research. This wasn't as bad as that, but the device did draw attention to itself and wasn't necessary to the scene. I mean, I guess things like that are becoming commonplace in everyday life, but it's still not typical to see them on TV in my experience.

 

[thribs]

I thought the same thing. Alexa is a downgrade of a device in their universe.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

To be fair, it's distracting when shows go with generic substitutes sometimes. "Boggle, when is the last flight to San Francisco?" The worst is the old TV shows where they would literally put black tape over the brand names on cereal boxes or whatever.

 

[Christopher]

To be fair, it's distracting when shows go with generic substitutes sometimes. "Boggle, when is the last flight to San Francisco?" The worst is the old TV shows where they would literally put black tape over the brand names on cereal boxes or whatever.

But this wasn't a case where the device really needed to be in the scene. Sure, they tried to work it into the story somewhat smoothly, to contribute to an actual plot point about changing the dinner reservation rather than just being a non sequitur, but it was a plot point that could've been handled differently.

Plus, the Arrowverse has become such a fanciful alternate reality by this point that generic brand substitutes would actually feel more fitting. Like, it'd be weird to see a Starbucks cup in a universe that has CC Jitters.

 

[Jayson1]

Amen as im so sick of Iris and is why my kids gave up on this show. Its called the Flash but its more Iris with the Flash and Friends.
If Cisco has left the show then its all girl power bs. Without Arrow being on, I guess no real reason to keep watching.

Plus I hate how the time line as been rebooted. So 6 season worth of stories thrown away an didn't happen like we watched. I once loved a show called Fringe. Season ended with Alt Olivia being pregnant and the whole Alterverse. But they rebooted in season and made those earlier season meaningless and deleted Alt Olivia storyline. I quit that show. Continuity means something, hence why we watch the show and are big fans. Plus Earth 2 being gone hurts.
Question for anyone that watches all the Arrowverse shows, is It me or do they really lack male characters an strong male characters at that?

Depends on the show. Legends,Flash(even with Cisco gone for awhile),Black Lighting have some strong interesting male characters. Supergirl as Brainy but Martian Munhunter hasn't been interesting in years. Should note Lex Luthor who might be the most interesting character in the Arrowverse but who knows how long he will be around. Batwoman doesn't have anyone other than Mouse in terms in interesting male characters. I guess the Fox sidekick friend is okay as well. Her dad though is not so good and should be better because he is the best actor in the cast.


Jason