Spoilers The Flash - Season 4

[tomalak301]

I decided to go with a streaming service that allows me to see Flash on it's actual night and they go on hiatus.

It was a pretty good episode but we need more Killer Frost. You'd think the best way to combat fire would be to use someone who can freeze water or something. When Iris told Caitlyn to become Frost and nothing happened I was confused.

Other than that good episode for Iris. Nice to get a little clarification on her job and why she wasn't a reporter recently.

 

[Kirk Prime]

My question is -- how do they afford their lives? Barry is unemployed. Iris stopped being a reporter. Yet they have a really nice apartment in a big city that should run like $4K a month. Who funds Star Labs? Who pays the bills? Cisco, Caitlin, Wells--they all have to eat.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Eobard Thawn signed over everything, including his patents, to Barry in his video will, when he admitted to murdering Nora Allen.

Note the changing exterior of star labs, each week, it's slowly being fixed.

 

[Christopher]

Ok, this might sound like a silly question, but if the Powers are transfered from one to another, why would Iris have the purple streak instead of the orange?

Like I said, I figured it was just a visual pun on her name. Irises (the flowers) are purple. Todd Helbing hinted that there's another reason, but maybe he was just being coy. Even if there is a reason, it's kind of a coincidence.

 

[Dick Whitman]

Call me old fashioned but I miss the days before the Speed Force. Before it Speedster's blurs really were just after images of whatever colors they were wearing. It was not electrical or lightning at all. So need to explain why each had a different color. It was just their personal wardrobe choices.

It's not believable to me at all that Barry would legally be allowed access to Wells/Thawne's money. There would be so many lawsuits against STAR LABS for the explosion in the Pilot episode alone. Not to mention other events since than. The goverment should have close it down long ago. Is HR's Star Labs museum still open?

I can suspend disbelief with their made up science because it might as well just be called magic. But the way STAR Labs is handled is hard for me to except. It's logic out of the Super Friends, where the characters only deal with fighting villians and not basic real life issues.

It was nice to see Iris's past as a writer remembered. Much has been made about her having a larger role as Team Leader. But it's not clear what she really does as that. Cisco is probably the most versatile character. Even if he never is in costume or using his powers. He is still the tech guy. Plus his personality and scenes with Wells. Often it would be so easy to exchange the dialogue between members of Team Flash in group discussions. They rarely individually contribute much to what happens.

 

[Snaploud]

I assume Thawne bribed, blackmailed, or killed all the people who would have tried to shut down Star Labs after the explosion. He probably did the same to anybody who thought about a lawsuit.

As for Barry's inheritance: the show is extremely vague about this one. We just know that Barry is in charge of Star Labs. We don't know if he actually directly owns the company (as he could just be head of a trust) or if he got patents or bank accounts in the inheritance.

 

[Romulan_spy]

I am intrigued by Harry building his own "thinking cap". We are getting the beginnings of a mental and intellectual showdown between Harry with his thinking cap and The Thinker with his/her. I wonder if The Thinker already predicted that it would happen or if it will be something that will surprise him/her. I also think that we will definitely see The Flash put on Harry's Thinking cap. After all, The Flash has already been affected by Dark Matter so his speedster powers combined with the thinking cap, would allow him to accelerate his intellect where he could out think The Thinker even. The show will probably do their own take on this comic:

 

[Tuskin38]

They also make the connection to the one other speedster we've seen with purple lightning.

Who?

Note the changing exterior of star labs, each week, it's slowly being fixed.

I've honestly not noticed.

 

[FreezeC77]

http://arrow.wikia.com/wiki/Accelerated_Man

The only other purple lightning speedster on the show. Was a really quick blink and you miss it scene where Gyspy met him on Earth 19 last season.

It has been theorized that in the show yellow lightning(Flash/Wally/Jay/Jesse) represents a connection to the positive speed force. Red lightning(Thawne/Rival) is a connection to the negative speed force. Blue lightning(Hunter Zoloman and Eliza) is from using the artificial speed formula.

Savitar was white lightning. Dunno there. He's the only one... until now that quick glimpse of purple was the only one until Iris.

I think in the comics(it can vary by who is drawing/writing the comic) but at one time the color of the speed indicated how fast the speedster was. Red was considered the slowest and violet was the fastest.

I don't think Iris was faster than any other speedster so it may be in the show the purple represents a speedster who gained their powers by taking another speedster's powers.

 

[Velocity]

How about "Violet Velocity"? It sounds similar to Jesse Quick or Max Mercury from the comics.

I like it!

 

[Morpheus 02]

Eobard Thawn signed over everything, including his patents, to Barry in his video will, when he admitted to murdering Nora Allen.

Note the changing exterior of star labs, each week, it's slowly being fixed.

I definitely noticed this week that repairs were being done...didn't realize it was worse in previous weeks...wonder if they have a story for when it is finished

 

[Mr. Adventure]

Speaking of super-names, "Melting Point" is one of Cisco's worst. Also, it was a bit odd that the Flash concealed his identity from Kim but Cisco, Caitlin, and Ralph didn't.

Wouldn't they just be three strangers to him? I agree the name is awful, I figured it must be from some comic.

 

[Christopher]

Wouldn't they just be three strangers to him?

Even so, they're faces he could identify later. I suppose Barry's a bit more famous after his trial, but it just seems odd that of the four superheroes in the room, only one bothered to protect his secret identity. Especially when, two weeks ago, Barry was the first one to expose his identity to Izzy over the others' protests. It's just an odd storytelling choice.

I agree the name is awful, I figured it must be from some comic.

Apparently the only Melting Point in DC Comics was a Doctor Melting Point in the non-canonical Season Zero tie-in comics to this very show, written by Andrew Kreisberg. But that was a former teacher of Caitlin's, a woman who could melt down and absorb organic materials due to being half-quantum energy or something. So it's weird that they'd reuse the name for a character it fits so poorly.

And even if it had been from the DC Universe proper, that wouldn't help. What matters in a story is how well things work within the context of the story itself, regardless of external considerations. If you have to come up with a labored rationalization for using something from an earlier version, then that's not a good thing.

I've been trying to think of a better name for Matthew, one that better fits his powers. Conduit would be good, except it's the name of a Superman villain.

 

[Mr. Adventure]

^ But he met Barry as "The Flash" so it makes sense that he'd maintain his secret.

 

[Christopher]

^ But he met Barry as "The Flash" so it makes sense that he'd maintain his secret.

But remember, Cisco avoided high-fiving Matthew and said "I like my powers." He wasn't concealing the fact that he was superpowered, so implicitly Matthew had already been told that he was Vibe -- and thus it follows that he also knew Caitlin and Ralph were Killer Frost and Elongated Man. So why would the Flash be any different?

 

[Romulan_spy]

I heard a neat theory on youtube that the Flash could defeat the Thinker by combining Harry's thinking cap with Flashtime. Basically, Barry could put on the thinking cap in Flashtime and be able to think super fast in what would be mere seconds in the outside world. It would allow Barry to think of a way to defeat the Thinker in mere seconds.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Barry didn't reveal his identity to Matthew because he wants the guy to stay alive long enough to help defeat DeVoe.

 

[dahj]

I'm getting slightly tired of "Ralph gets disheartened by the heroing stuff, gets show what heroing is all about and is now heartened again" that they've done like five times already.

Otherwise, a decent episode, I like that they've addressed Iris quitting her job, but it just goes to show how sidelined her character has been that we're in the second half of the season and this only now gets actually stated on screen.

It's weird we have two reporters in the Arrowverse and little to no actual reporting gets done on these shows, at this point I'm starting to wonder if Lois will even do any reporting in her solo series...

 

[Snaploud]

I'm getting slightly tired of "Ralph gets disheartened by the heroing stuff, gets show what heroing is all about and is now heartened again" that they've done like five times already.

QFT

Otherwise, a decent episode, I like that they've addressed Iris quitting her job, but it just goes to show how sidelined her character has been that we're in the second half of the season and this only now gets actually stated on screen.

It's weird we have two reporters in the Arrowverse and little to no actual reporting gets done on these shows, at this point I'm starting to wonder if Lois will even do any reporting in her solo series...

Yeah, I don't even recall Iris ever doing anything that interesting as a reporter. Do we have any examples of her being "fearless" in that role? The writers seem to be over-hyping her reporting skills.

 

[Christopher]

Yeah, I don't even recall Iris ever doing anything that interesting as a reporter. Do we have any examples of her being "fearless" in that role? The writers seem to be over-hyping her reporting skills.

Well, there was that one episode last year where she recklessly went up against some gunrunners she was investigating, but in that case she didn't fear death because she already knew the time and date of her demise at Savitar's blade and assumed she was unkillable before then.