Probably didn't have too many candids on Instagram once he was institutionalized.
Spoilers The Flash - Season 2
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This is just awful. It seems the writers went through a lot of trouble to throw off viewers instead of telling a good story. When team Flash "figured out" Jay/Hunter's dual identity, I thought it was just a red herring to keep viewers from seeing the obvious (i.e., Jay and Hunter being two different entities). It turned out to be the truth as we know now.
It's not too late to make a course correction, however.
They should make Masked Man the real Jay Garrick or good twin brother separated from birth who would be instrumental in defeating Zoom. But now I'm not really feeling this Jay-Z dynamic.
It's not too late to make a course correction, however.
They should make Masked Man the real Jay Garrick or good twin brother separated from birth who would be instrumental in defeating Zoom. But now I'm not really feeling this Jay-Z dynamic.
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They said the beard was the last public photo of Zolomon
But points, but it still seems strange that somebody as paranoid about Jay Garrick as Wells was shown to be wouldn't have looked into his origin.
When did we learn this?
Hunter's dad was named James, so I assume "Jay" was taken from that.
Well this just solidifies my belief that the man in the mask is The Flash from the original 90's show.
And no, we shouldn't be thankful that they gave us this "Jay Garrick". Unless they plan to give us a good Jay, this is a major misstep and really hurts the show for me going forward.
And no, we shouldn't be thankful that they gave us this "Jay Garrick". Unless they plan to give us a good Jay, this is a major misstep and really hurts the show for me going forward.
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That was just utterly idiotic, for him to say 'I'm back?' clearly referring to the universe hop without ever explaining to anyone what he was talking about, especially because he would need to know that the equipment wouldn't malfunction in the middle of fighting Zoom and even moreso because they spent half the episode looking for a way to travel between dimensions. You know, like Barry *just did* with the aid of the tachyon device? Easily the dumbest moment in the history of the show.
That said, I did love all the stuff with Cisco learning to use his abilities.
I don't think Zoom is a particularly accurate narrator. Didn't he say he made the decision to kill his doppelganger after they started closing the breeches? So when did he actually have time to discuss anything with his other self? I'm thinking he killed the doppelganger with no discussion, and possibly even without meaning to, he just likes making himself look like a master planner.
Also, if Jay #2 was earth 2 Hunter *from the past* as he claimed, then why didn't Zoom disappear as soon as his past self died? He wasn't time traveling like the Reverse Flash. He should have been done for just like season 1 Thawne.
It can't have been that long standing - it's still only 2 years since people got powers, isn't it? And how likely is it that many people would be able to ever see a Zoom/Flash fight up close, anyway? Also, do we know when Zoom brought his doppelganger to the present? Some of those fights could easily have been actually two people.
I don't think we've been shown anyone witnessing a Jay/Zoom fight on Earth 2. And remember that Wells was down on Jay for not doing enough to stop Zoom, while Jay was telling everyone that he couldn't be stopped.
Because Zoom convinced himself that it was for the greater good.
That was in the script.
Zoom was really chuffed about how clever he was.
That was in the script.
Zoom was really chuffed about how clever he was.
Just thinking, Thawne from the future recognized Jays helmet when it landed on our Earth. So that seems to imply that there is a good Jay out there that will at some point battle Reverse Flash. Just to many permutations with multiple Earths and futures at this point. Anything is possible.
The hat isn't special. It's an ordinary soldiers helmet from the war of the Americas.
That helmet and jacket weren't a personal fashion statement for James Zolomon, but a soldier's uniform (WWI-style, basically, though Earth-2's equivalent was probably more recent). So there must be millions of men on Earth-2 who wore helmets and jackets exactly like that. The original Jay Garrick may have been one of them, or the son of one of them. (I'm expecting the real Jay to be older, though, in keeping with the comics.)
They said it was a time remnant, like the Thawne who still survives even though his ancestor was killed. It doesn't really make sense, but at least it has precedent within this franchise's freaky time-travel rules.
It doesn't really have precedent though, because Thawne was killed/negated the instant Eddie died. Past Thawne survived due to being outside the timestream, ie, he was time traveling already, so time didn't catch up to him. That part already didn't make any sense, but the rule was at least clear: destroy your past self and you die, unless you're actively time traveling, in which case you're protected. Hunter killed his past self in his own time without any out of timeline shenanigans going on. He should be dead, plain and simple. Unless there's some big reveal about his story having been a lie somehow.
That is my guess and hope at this point. Teddy Sears said its not revealed who is behind the mask until the season finale.
Jay was killed in a different universe than Zoom was standing in, or "Jay" was killed between Universes. The membranes between universes are massive multidimensional condoms. You realize that once "Jay" got dragged to Earth 2, if he was still alive, and since there were ZERO witnesses, that there was no reason for Zoom to Kill Jay?
When the "dark" voice and persona emerged within Zoom/"Jay"/Hunter during this latest episode, I was wondering if that could be a sign that he may have either been caught/possessed by a Time Wraith at some point... or that, if he "dies", he would become a new Time Wraith himself.
Perhaps all Time Wraiths are remnants of former speedsters, or at least those which push things too far too soon? Which might explain why they are drawn to time-travelling speedsters in particular, as opposed to different types of time travellers (like that other Hunter fellow).
Perhaps all Time Wraiths are remnants of former speedsters, or at least those which push things too far too soon? Which might explain why they are drawn to time-travelling speedsters in particular, as opposed to different types of time travellers (like that other Hunter fellow).
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But Zolomon did pull his past self out of the time stream. He pulled him into the present. Consider: In Zolomon's own original past, he wasn't pulled into the future by his own future self. So when he went back and met his past self, he thereby branched off a different, alternative history from his own. So essentially he killed a parallel self rather than his own past self.
There's one thing that's inarguable about these shows: The consistency in how powers work is nonexistent. They just make up new things on a whim regardless of what has been shown or stated in the past. This is just another example of that in action.