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Spoilers The Flash - Season 2

^Because you don't watch Supergirl?

But maybe there are different parameters for "closeness" between parallel realities, and similarity of sentient inhabitants carries more cosmological weight than similarity of material objects and events. Maybe there's even some sort of probabilistic bleed-through between universes that influences the same people to be born even when events go differently.
Along similar lines...if there are infinite possible alternate universes, then there's potentially an alternate universe for any combination of people and/or events. It could be that alternate universes that just happen to have a strong coincidence of people, for example, despite drastically different historical events, are cosmologically "closer" and thus easier to travel between.
 
It's the name of Supergirl's Kryptonian aunt on the show...don't know if she has a comics precedent.
 
It's the name of Supergirl's Kryptonian aunt on the show...don't know if she has a comics precedent.

Nope, created for the show. Though, with the upcoming Supergirl comic book looking like it will take a lot from the show, it wouldn't surprise me if Astra was introduced in the comics as well.
 
Along similar lines...if there are infinite possible alternate universes, then there's potentially an alternate universe for any combination of people and/or events. It could be that alternate universes that just happen to have a strong coincidence of people, for example, despite drastically different historical events, are cosmologically "closer" and thus easier to travel between.

I don't really buy arguments based on the "everything happens in an infinite number of universes" idea. Sure, theoretically, every combination of possibilities may happen, but if you've got an infinite number of alternate universes, then the probability of your own universe interacting with any single one of them is going to be 1/infinity = zero. So while that universe might technically exist, you would never be able to interact with it, so it would effectively not exist as far as practical experience is concerned.

I don't think even the idea that coincidentally similar universes are "drawn" to each other would cancel that out, because they'd still have to have some interaction in the first place in order for that convergence to occur. And the odds are infinitely stacked against that.

Here's a thought: Cause and effect can be retroactive. Conventional experience aside, there's no theoretical reason why an effect can't come before its cause. It could be that since Earth-1 and Earth-2 were connected by a dimensional breach in 2015, that had effects which propagated back through time and caused certain convergences between them.
 
I'm not seeing where interaction between universes would be governed by rolling dice. Take as a given that universes connect with other universes, it's just a matter of which connect more closely with which others. Purposefully finding a specific universe that meets desired criteria, that would be infinitely unlikely.
 
I'm not seeing where interaction between universes would be governed by rolling dice. Take as a given that universes connect with other universes, it's just a matter of which connect more closely with which others. Purposefully finding a specific universe that meets desired criteria, that would be infinitely unlikely.

The point is that such a "connection" would have to be initiated at some point, and that is an interaction, just as much as purposefully searching is an interaction. It wouldn't just happen; there would need to be some initial contact to create the connection. So I think the same principle applies either way.
 
The point is that such a "connection" would have to be initiated at some point, and that is an interaction, just as much as purposefully searching is an interaction. It wouldn't just happen; there would need to be some initial contact to create the connection. So I think the same principle applies either way.
That seems to imply intent. Forces beyond mortal control or comprehension decided that these particular two or three universes were "close" enough to connect, making travel between them possible.
 
That seems to imply intent. Forces beyond mortal control or comprehension decided that these particular two or three universes were "close" enough to connect, making travel between them possible.

No, that's just what I'm saying, that intent has nothing to do with it. I'm talking about physical interaction. On the most fundamental level, human thoughts and intentions and decisions are merely an emergent property of the interaction of large and complex ensembles of subatomic particles exchanging forces in compliance with the laws of physics. So as far as physics is concerned, an interaction with conscious intent behind it is no different from an interaction with no mind behind it at all.

This is what a lot of people don't get about quantum mechanics and Schroedinger's Cat. They believe it's saying that conscious observation causes quantum states to resolve, that nothing would exist without a thinking being to observe it, but that's wrong. Conscious observation is merely one example of physical interaction between ensembles of particles -- one such ensemble being the observer's brain, another being the instrument they're measuring with. The reason scientists talk about quantum interaction in terms of conscious observation is because scientists report the specific results of their experiments rather than speaking in universals, and their experiments involve people observing and measuring stuff. But the answer to the Schroedinger's Cat paradox is that interaction with any large ensemble of particles -- whether it's the scientist or the box or the cat or the valve that releases the poison -- will have the same resolving effect on the quantum state of the radioactive isotope. It happens whether there's a conscious mind observing it or just a simple mechanism mindlessly reacting to it. Physically, there's no meaningful difference between those two types of interaction.

So I'm talking about interaction, not decision. Two things can't become connected unless they initially interact. And in an infinite multiiverse, the odds of any two given universes interacting are infinitesimal. Which is why I don't think "infinite multiverse" models are useful as explanations.

As to your point about "deciding," it's our own anthropocentric bias that leads us to assume that a process of selection can only be the result of a conscious mind. That's the fallacy behind the idea of Intelligent Design, the belief that the suitability of anatomical features for a given function "proves" that a sentient designer must have decided to make them that way. That's not true at all. Selection routinely happens as a result of the influence of the laws of physics or the conditions of a situation. Roll a bunch of rocks downhill, and you don't have to decide that the round ones will roll better than the flat ones -- they just will. That selection will be made by physics and circumstances, not by conscious preference. Ditto for evolutionary traits -- the more viable traits select themselves simply by working better than the alternatives. Selection does not imply conscious decision or preference.
 
When you write something like that, I have no idea how you can suspend your disbelief enough to enjoy superhero fiction at all. It's a genre that's chock full of ludicrously impossible things.
 
Watching the crossover episode now. Cool opening sequence. Getting a bit slow waiting for Barry to have something to do. 10,000 calories seems a bit light. The makeover was a bit odd. Maybe Barry can store the charge he got from live wire. And Barry seems to have learned a lot (or remembers a lot) from Cisco.

Well Barry didn't end up helping very much. Well at least with the villains.
 
Define "real".

Well, from reading forums like this one I know of course that there is not THE comic universe as they seem to start anew every ten years or so, telling the same story again with different details, for a new audience/generation. This is what utterly confuses me and one of the reasons why I’ve stopped reading comics.

Yet there are some basic things that never change during the decades, no matter the incarnation. I would consider them common knowledge. Asking for Kal-El as another name for Superman was once the million question in the German “Who wants to be a millionaire”. It’s something one could know without having read all the comics and watched every movie and TV series.

I was just worried that this Astra may be a well-known character and people would assume I named myself after her. Which I did not. I didn’t name myself either after the Astra-satellite or the Opel car. The name dates back to the Sixties and my father invented it, it’s based on our family name. And yes, I also know now that it means “stars” in Latin. There is even an Astra beer in Hamburg.
 
. Asking for Kal-El as another name for Superman was once the million question in the German “Who wants to be a millionaire”. It’s something one could know without having read all the comics and watched every movie and TV series..
For real? Wow, talk about low standards with that question! Usually the million euro question is one for something veeeery specific you need special knowledge for. This I would consider pop culture knowledge one might be ignorant about, but knowable for mere mortals none the less.
 
For real? Wow, talk about low standards with that question! Usually the million euro question is one for something veeeery specific you need special knowledge for. This I would consider pop culture knowledge one might be ignorant about, but knowable for mere mortals none the less.

Well, it’s possible it’s a bit different between America and Germany. It is American pop culture and they may grow up differently with that. Same as everyone in the UK grows up with Doctor Who. You surely could ask a lot of people on the street over here who wouldn’t know about these. And maybe it was not the million but a very high one at least. Actually it is not even a million anymore, it was with D-Mark but with Euro it is only 500.000 ;)

Another million question where I’m sure it was the million once was about names from “Romeo and Juliet”. We read the book in school, I could have easily answered it. But still it is not something one is required to know and not everyone might (and I would have lost long before actually coming to this question).
 
Except I am German, not American. :)

Haven't watched Who want's to be a millionair? in ages. Not even sure, if it's still on.
Anyway, I guess the people designing the questions might not know how common that knowledge really is.
 
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