Spoilers The Flash - Season 2

[Christopher]

Well there's four different active live action Earth's if Supergirl isnt on Earth 2.

Flash/Arrow Earth
Zoom/Jay Garrett Earth "2"
Supergirl TV Earth
Superman vs Batman Earth.

Assuming we're not counting earlier DC shows and movies.

Supergirl doesn't seem like it is same as movie Superman unless Man of Steel took place in the late 90s or Supergirl is in the 2030s

Definitely not. The depiction of Krypton is distinct and incompatible. And James said in the Supergirl pilot that Superman's first public act of heroism was saving a plane, which I don't think is remotely compatible with MoS.

And I have no idea where Gotham fits in.

I've started to think it's Earth-3 and that it's secretly the origin of Owlman rather than Batman.

 

[tomalak301]

So I need to go back to watching Gotham? So many shows, so little time

 

[Greg Cox]

Supergirl doesn't seem like it is same as movie Superman unless Man of Steel took place in the late 90s or Supergirl is in the 2030s

Definitely not. The depiction of Krypton is distinct and incompatible. And James said in the Supergirl pilot that Superman's first public act of heroism was saving a plane, which I don't think is remotely compatible with MoS.

Moreover, in MAN OF STEEL, Jor-El's citadel is under attack by Zod and his forces when little baby Kal-El is launched into space, and there's no sign of Kara and her family standing by to launch Kara as well. And there's nothing in MAN OF STEEL about Kara's mom being responsible for banishing people into the Phantom Zone.

 

[Christopher]

Moreover, in MAN OF STEEL, Jor-El's citadel is under attack by Zod and his forces when little baby Kal-El is launched into space, and there's no sign of Kara and her family standing by to launch Kara as well. And there's nothing in MAN OF STEEL about Kara's mom being responsible for banishing people into the Phantom Zone.

Also, there was a tie-in prequel comic to MoS, plotted by David Goyer, Geoff Johns, and Zack Snyder, revealing that an adult Kara Zor-El was actually part of the crew of the Kryptonian scout ship that crashed in the Arctic and that Clark later found in the movie. Maybe not entirely canonical, but since it was actually plotted by the film's writers themselves, maybe it more or less is.

 

[Greg Cox]

Moreover, in MAN OF STEEL, Jor-El's citadel is under attack by Zod and his forces when little baby Kal-El is launched into space, and there's no sign of Kara and her family standing by to launch Kara as well. And there's nothing in MAN OF STEEL about Kara's mom being responsible for banishing people into the Phantom Zone.

Also, there was a tie-in prequel comic to MoS, plotted by David Goyer, Geoff Johns, and Zack Snyder, revealing that an adult Kara Zor-El was actually part of the crew of the Kryptonian scout ship that crashed in the Arctic and that Clark later found in the movie. Maybe not entirely canonical, but since it was actually plotted by the film's writers themselves, maybe it more or less is.

That matches up with a bit in the original script about Clark finding an empty life-pod in the crashed Kryptonian ship. Can't remember if that bit made it into the finished movie, but I believe it's still in my novelization.

 

[The Old Mixer]

Yes, they did show an open pod in the film.

 

[Christopher]

^My impression is that the comic and the bit about the lifepod were meant to set up Supergirl's appearance in a sequel. Although that was before Warner Bros. decided to subsume Superman into a more Batman-centric shared hero universe.

 

[Samurai8472]

Supergirl is pulling in some really good ratings at CBS, so I doubt they're going to let it go that quickly or easily. OTOH, I can easily see Berlanti engineering a "Crisis" sort of plotline to reconcile everything if the opportunity arose.

Mark

Flash is the key to all of this


I guess it's too late for Flash's midseason finale( since it's actually about Christmas and 3 villains"


BUT

My idea is that flash gets transported to Supergirls world in his mid season finale and has to get back to his reality.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Is Leonard getting a cut from those Captain Cold toys?

(Is Barry?)

I can see some toy stores, factories and distribution hubs getting iced over if they didn't ask him if it was alright to use his likeness, and if not to pay him to use his likeness, then maybe donate money to maybe a charity or... Iron Heights prison Library?

 

[TemporalFlux]

Is Leonard getting a cut from those Captain Cold toys?

(Is Barry?)

On a similar vein, I wonder if Obama gets a cut out of all those Obama Halloween masks? Or Reagan for his masks; or Nixon? It might fall under some kind of public figure / satire exception?

Flash and Captain Cold could be falling under a similar idea; it's hard to say since there is no existing law of what to do with masked super heroes (and you would need someone with standing to challenge it in court to create that law - which means the aggrieved party coming forward).

This does remind me of that Batman: The Animated series episode, though; the one where the guy creates a Joker themed casino in hopes that he can collect the insurance money if the Joker gets mad enough to blow it up.

 

[Timelord79 (he/him)]

I seem to remember the Lois & Clark show making an episode about Superman merchandising. Supes wasn't thrilled about it, but agreed to it in the condition of his cut going to charity.
I might misremember here.

 

[USS Triumphant]

I seem to remember the Lois & Clark show making an episode about Superman merchandising. Supes wasn't thrilled about it, but agreed to it in the condition of his cut going to charity.
I might misremember here.

No, you've got it, and it was based on something very similar that happened in the comic. If I recall correctly, the "marketing genius" that started the product line and that he had to have that little conversation with about where his cut should go in the comics was an associate and mentor of the clone Superboy. But now I might misremember - it has been a long while since I read that.

 

[Christopher]

That was Lois & Clark episode 4, "I'm Looking Through You," and the publicist, Murray, was played by Jack Carter.

 

[JoeZhang]

Just caught up with this - this was OK but I don't think the Hawks story-line that interesting and both actors are fairly weak. I'm certainly not desperate to see more of them...

 

[Samurai8472]

Some are speculating it's Bart Allen or The Top

 

[tomalak301]

Just caught up with this - this was OK but I don't think the Hawks story-line that interesting and both actors are fairly weak. I'm certainly not desperate to see more of them...

This episode convinced me I'm goi to pass on Legends of Tomarrow.

 

[Gryffindorian]

I don't know much about Trickster. Is he supposed to be more twisted and dangerous than the Joker? I mean this is a guy who's willing to blow up a bunch of kids on Christmas Eve.

When Iris told Joe that Francine was pregnant, I totally misunderstood. I thought she meant Francine had a baby with another man, and now she wanted Joe and Iris to take care of baby Wally. The nerve of that woman.

 

[cylkoth]

So, Dad gets out of prison after 15 something years, and he can't be bothered to spend Christmas with his son???!
Worst Dad ever...

 

[Christopher]

Kind of a fun episode, but the resolution was ridiculous. So they magnetize one bomb and it sucks all the others up into the breach? How does that make sense? How did the pull work only on the bombs instead of other metallic objects? And how did the bombs know to follow curving paths through the nearest windows, rather than banging against the ceiling until they blew up and killed everyone in the house? This show has had some ridiculous pseudoscience before, but this was the dumbest solution ever.

Also, Captain Cold didn't really serve a purpose in this episode. It would've played out much the same if it had just been the Weather Wizard and the Trickster. Cold was just here to set him up for Legends of Tomorrow -- break him out of jail, have him take a vaguely redemptive turn, have Barry talk to him about his capacity for heroism, okay, done, now he's gone for the rest of the story. It would've been better if Snart had actually played a role in the climax, helping the heroes in some way. Then his presence wouldn't have felt so tacked-on.

Speaking of people not helping the heroes, why were those cops in the background just standing there watching the climactic fight? Why didn't they start shooting at Weather Wizard when he was standing over the Flash and getting ready to kill him? He's powerful, but he's not invulnerable.

 

[Vendikarr]

Also, Captain Cold didn't really serve a purpose in this episode. It would've played out much the same if it had just been the Weather Wizard and the Trickster. Cold was just here to set him up for Legends of Tomorrow -- break him out of jail, have him take a vaguely redemptive turn, have Barry talk to him about his capacity for heroism, okay, done, now he's gone for the rest of the story. It would've been better if Snart had actually played a role in the climax, helping the heroes in some way. Then his presence wouldn't have felt so tacked-on.

I was watching the end fight waiting for Cold to appear and lend a hand. It seemed like what they were building towards given his conversation with Barry. As it was, I agree he served no point to the story.

I do hope the bad guys realize Barry has a support network, and the way to get him is to take out his support first. If the S.T.A.R. Labs team had something else to worry about while Barry is under attack, the villains would have won.